I am learning grade 1 now (on my own). the state seems to think that learning 
braille isn't an "immediate need". Frankly, I think it is (along with 
independent living skills and O&M training). They have on the priority 1 group 
but have deferred my status indefinitely (my case comes up for review again in 
6 months). I find that to be unacceptable as I need training for jobs I am 
being offered NOW. no training = no job.  Sometimes I don't understand why they 
are so penny wise and pound foolish. An employed disabled person is still a 
return on investment rather than a drain on the system.

so? how did you lose your eyesight? 
-Eric

On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> I have only just started learning grade 1 braille.  Fortunately I can touch 
> type so I don't need any braille on my keyboard.  Or am I missing something 
> here?
> 
> 
> chris 
> On 1 Oct 2010, at 09:35, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> tried that. I got no response from the live chat. it seems that something is 
>> amiss between safari and voiceover. I have posted a support request with 
>> apple. it may be a while before they respond.
>> 
>> btw, if you can, get some braille overlays for your keyboard, this will 
>> facilitate learning braille while you type. see my page at 
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/VisionlessOne
>> 
>> I talk about the keyboard overlays.
>> you can find them on amazon.com. frankly, they are a bit overpriced for what 
>> they are.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> Eric you are in good company as I went totally blind a few months ago too.
>>> 
>>> Not sure if this will help your problem, but have you tried turning 
>>> keyboard tracking off?  You can do this by pressing VO+Shift+F3, simply 
>>> press this when in the chat window (not the edit box) and then press VO+End 
>>> if you want to be at the bottom of the chat window.
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> On 30 Sep 2010, at 19:25, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hello,
>>>> I seem to be having a problem getting voiceover to track live chats on an 
>>>> html page (in this case: kingdom of loathing). I see this problem in other 
>>>> gui related chat clients (like skype and xchat irc client). is there a 
>>>> setting I can find that will change this behavior. so far, I am inundated 
>>>> with all the commands in the help menu and it takes a rather long time to 
>>>> read through all of them.
>>>> 
>>>> it probably won't hurt you know that I am recently totally blind (less 
>>>> than 3 months) and I am still learning the basics of voiceover.
>>>> 
>>>> any help you can offer I would greatly appreciate.
>>>> 
>>>> Eric Oyen - N7ZZT
>>>> Phoenix Arizona
>>>> Geocode:
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>>>> N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956'
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