The options before June of last year were to use one of the phones from LG or other providers that offered limited access to basic phone functions or to purchase one of the phones and put Talks or one of the other speech programs on it. And, after using the iPhone, I really think those solutions were sub par. The iPhone is far better than those solutions.
On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Only realistic option? So what were blind people using before last June? I > agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but > it's not the only game in town. > On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor >> portable use >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Not enough competition? >>> >>> I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much >>> competition is needed? >>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition >>>> in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really >>>> motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad >>>> for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more >>>>> careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the >>>>> larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>>>> >>>>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>>>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>>>> more I like it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. >>>>>> Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in >>>>>> large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, >>>>>> those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively >>>>>> do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area >>>>>> before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider >>>>>> what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all >>>>>> day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. >>>>>> They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the >>>>>> network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that >>>>>> you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. >>>>>> If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of >>>>>> unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset >>>>>> with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can >>>>>> pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>>> >>>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but >>>>>> i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on >>>>>> the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple >>>>>> hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just >>>>>> needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's >>>>>> not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything >>>>>> and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or >>>>>> huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for >>>>>> at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I >>>>>> have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy >>>>>> I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!!!!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>>>> and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone >>>>>>>> it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us >>>>>>>> who want to get an I phone >>>>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>>>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has >>>>>>>>> made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but >>>>>>>>> jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch >>>>>>>>> rude to boot. >>>>>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained >>>>>>>>>> the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve >>>>>>>>>> to ask how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. >>>>>>>>>> I hope no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps >>>>>>>>>> waiting for the official release makes even more sense and wow, you >>>>>>>>>> would have to wait one entire week. >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>>>>>>>>>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't >>>>>>>>>>> find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>>>>>>>>>> downloaded. >>>>>>>>>>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>> Jorgen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you >>>>>>>>>>>> know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious >>>>>>>>>>>> code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect >>>>>>>>>>>> the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in >>>>>>>>>>>> line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not >>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out >>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the betas are there >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited >>>>>>>>>>>>> for it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think I can install os4. Can I? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free apps and updates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Søren Jensen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail & MSN: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Website: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folkes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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