Only realistic option? So what were blind people using before last June? I agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but it's not the only game in town. On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
> yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor > portable use > On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Not enough competition? >> >> I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much >> competition is needed? >> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >> >>> I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition >>> in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really >>> motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad >>> for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. >>> >>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. >>>> I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger >>>> amount of data, and continue their current behavior. >>>> >>>> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be >>>> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>>> >>>>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the >>>>> more I like it. >>>>> >>>>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network >>>>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has >>>>> become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in >>>>> large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, >>>>> those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do >>>>> anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, >>>>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth >>>>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area >>>>> before most of the network capacity is gone. >>>>> >>>>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can >>>>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most >>>>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider >>>>> what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all >>>>> day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. >>>>> They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the >>>>> network, which means more bandwidth for me. >>>>> >>>>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or >>>>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of >>>>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the >>>>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the >>>>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you >>>>> can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet >>>>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that >>>>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If >>>>> not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited >>>>> web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with AT&T's >>>>> network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to >>>>> have it work well, then sign me up. >>>>> >>>>> Bryan >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! >>>>> >>>>> how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i >>>>> want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i >>>>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the >>>>> telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours >>>>> of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to >>>>> get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm >>>>> tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i >>>>> ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the >>>>> i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of >>>>> any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to >>>>> stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my >>>>> laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not >>>>>> screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of >>>>>> having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most >>>>>> people will end up saving money in the long run. >>>>>> On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the >>>>>>> ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!!!!!! i doubt i wil be >>>>>>> getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us >>>>>>> and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone >>>>>>> it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who >>>>>>> want to get an I phone >>>>>>> as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 >>>>>>> AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be >>>>>>>> blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just >>>>>>>> because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has >>>>>>>> made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but >>>>>>>> jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch >>>>>>>> rude to boot. >>>>>>>> On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the >>>>>>>>> beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask >>>>>>>>> how to install/upgrade software you are not entitled to use. I hope >>>>>>>>> no one provides you with any help on this list. Perhaps waiting for >>>>>>>>> the official release makes even more sense and wow, you would have to >>>>>>>>> wait one entire week. >>>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 8:06 AM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have downloaded the iphone os 4, and the itunes beta. >>>>>>>>>> How can i do that, i have tryed to check for updates, but i can't >>>>>>>>>> find the boks, there i can shose the file with the update i have >>>>>>>>>> downloaded. >>>>>>>>>> Are there anyone, there have tryed to upgrade to i os 4. >>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>> Jorgen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2010/6/11, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>> Man you guys really cant' wait another week or so? How do you >>>>>>>>>>> know what your downloading has not been hacked and has malicious >>>>>>>>>>> code installed. Of course at the very least, do you not respect >>>>>>>>>>> the fact that these downloads are illegal or certainly are not in >>>>>>>>>>> line with Apples policy. I can't wait either, but these are not >>>>>>>>>>> legitimate sources and you do not know what your getting. >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Cody Hurst wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm running IOS 4 from www.myiphoneactivation.com. check it out >>>>>>>>>>>> all of the betas are there >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will be preordering the iPhone 4G on Tuesday, I'm very excited >>>>>>>>>>>> for it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cody >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Justin Thornton wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> hi when I go to down the actual os 4 file the torrent file is >>>>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is I'm not registered witht he apps store so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think I can install os4. Can I? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Thanks for that great info, and we don't brake any laws >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by doing that. We don't crack any software. You only install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free apps and updates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Søren Jensen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail & MSN: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Website: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Den Jun 9, 2010 kl. 7:07 PM skrev David Hole: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folkes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For you interested in installing iOS 4 today, you can do that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the guide how to do it is in Norwegian, i suggest you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate it with http://translate.google.com/ Here's the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide: http://www.itavisen.no/844413/install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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