Again Ester unfortunately not.  When I press tab, focus changes to the table 
containing the list of cards.  Oddly enough, when I use shift-tab to return to 
the groups table, the bug outlined in my previous message arises.

Cheers

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 19:47, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> A shorter variation to try to change the Group Name in Address Book:
> After you go to the group you want to rename (i.e., you've interacted with 
> the group table and used VO-Down arrow or VO-Up arrow), just press tab, then 
> type in the new name.
> 
> Do not interact with the group entry after you've interacted with the group 
> name table -- there's some sort of icon that is in front of the name.  I was 
> reminded of a way that Jacob Schmude outlined as a way to input/change 
> entries that we otherwise couldn't alter, such as when I wanted to redefine 
> the shortcut for switching language keyboards by typing in a new definition.  
> He just pressed the tab key and typed in the entry.  I found that it worked, 
> and tried it here.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 08:35, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal,
>> 
>> You need to use the delete key (without holding down the Control and Option 
>> keys) just after you've created the new group, while it is highlighted, and 
>> before you move around.  If you try to go to the group and interact, and 
>> then press the delete key, your Mac will indeed try to delete the group 
>> entry.
>> 
>> If you want to change the name of a group you've created, try the following:
>> 1. Go to the group you want to edit and interact (e.g., if you were starting 
>> from scratch, you would naviagate to the groups table of Address Book and 
>> interact, then VO down arrow to the entry of interest.
>> 2. VO-Command-F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor
>> 3. Click with VO-Shift-Space on the group name entry.
>> 4. Press the delete key and type in the new group name.
>> 
>> Let us know if this works for you.  And, that was a nice write-up of a work 
>> around in Marie's blog.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On 12 May 2010, at 08:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah interesting :)  OK what happens in this one (for me) is this:
>>> 1.  I go to the group I want to edit;
>>> 2.  I interact with it.  Vo says "interacting with edit text"
>>> 3 I press delete, at which point it tries to delete the group rather than 
>>> the text.
>>> 
>>> I tried the workaround of:
>>> 1.  finding the group;
>>> 2. turning off VO;
>>> 3.  pressing "enter" and then deleting.
>>> 
>>> However this also didn't work.
>>> 
>>> I'll keep playing with it, but it might be nice if a few others could take 
>>> a look so we can isolate a set of circumstances in which this happens.  
>>> Might not be a bug, just an unexpected "feature".
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> 
>>> On 12 May 2010, at 19:01, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
>>>> oh I hadn't experienced that. Maybe you might want to report it. :)
>>>> 
>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 18:24, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Nice workaround Marie Cheers !:)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I presume the other part of this bug, namely where pressing the delete 
>>>>> key delets the group rather than editing the name has also been reported 
>>>>> to Apple?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dónal
>>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 18:17, marie Howarth wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is a bug that's been reported to Apple,
>>>>>> OK, good news, there's a work around.
>>>>>> Check out this blog and I give instructions how to get around this 
>>>>>> problem in address book.
>>>>>> http://blindbabbles.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/address-book-a-quick-start/
>>>>>> Hope this helps you :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 17:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ok I'm having one of those days I'd rather forget, because I've done so 
>>>>>>> many daft things on my machine.  Can I blame the exams I've been 
>>>>>>> grading? <smile>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyways, I'm trying to add a new group in adddressbook.  So I've done 
>>>>>>> the following:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1.  gone to the popup menu, and selected "add new group".
>>>>>>> 2.  tried to give it a name;
>>>>>>> 3.  failed dismally.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The problem seems to be that I can't edit the group name.  
>>>>>>> Interestingly, when I go back to the "groups" table and interact, VO 
>>>>>>> seems to be getting confused.  It says it's highlighting row two, yet 
>>>>>>> won't allow me to go to a different row.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Suggestions welcome...  I think I need more tea :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>>> 
>> 
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