Correct. I actually did state this yesterday, but you might have missed the message. Olivia "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > greetings, > One thing I have not seen in this thread, likely because it is a given. I > take it you can save your documents and spreadsheets in formats that can be > used by those still stuck in windows office programs? > Karen > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, olivia norman wrote: > >> Very true. The mac makes productivity a pleasure. >> Olivia >> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, >>> exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't >>> really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really don't >>> know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel. >>> >>> As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to "play" >>> with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I would >>> say "immersive" but the fact that would be a 3D experience surrounding the >>> user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels like. Even if I only >>> perform the various tasks of writing documents, e-mails and managing files, >>> not to mention browsing the web, it always feels new. I always enjoy doing >>> it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows machine. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Dan Roy wrote: >>> >>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main machine. >>>> However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1. I am >>>> forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>> >>>>> good morning Denise, >>>>> >>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating >>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University >>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish >>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student >>>>> exams and to carry out other functions. However, I have not totally >>>>> abandoned my Dell. While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I >>>>> don't like either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the >>>>> access provided by VO. It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on >>>>> this list will vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing >>>>> of spreadsheets using Jaws is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of >>>>> semantic access to this kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>>>> >>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in >>>>> full-screen mode. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Dónal >>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders office. >>>>>> And >>>>>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to write >>>>>> briefs, with case citations. >>>>>> >>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others >>>>>> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>>>> >>>>>> So thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law school, >>>>>> and >>>>>> who has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel I >>>>>> can >>>>>> helpfully answer your questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>>>> >>>>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use serious >>>>>> apps >>>>>> as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, allowing you to do >>>>>> extensive formatting of documents. Also, the preview application on the >>>>>> mac >>>>>> is one of the best PDF readers I have ever seen. The text is readable >>>>>> with >>>>>> voiceover, and there are few, if any crashes. What other screen readers >>>>>> can >>>>>> you say that about? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office applications not >>>>>> being accessible. It is true that they do not work with voiceover. >>>>>> However, >>>>>> for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a program called VMware >>>>>> fusion. >>>>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as your >>>>>> mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you like for >>>>>> windows >>>>>> and run office without a hitch. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>>>> configured >>>>>> windows just the way you want it, you can create what is known as a >>>>>> snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its exact >>>>>> configuration >>>>>> at the time you took it, meaning you will always have a fresh install of >>>>>> windows, office, and your screen reader a click away. It's awesome, >>>>>> because >>>>>> it does a complete and utter system restore when windows decides to go >>>>>> south >>>>>> on you. For a blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better >>>>>> than a standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when you >>>>>> took >>>>>> it. It is much more extensive than using the built in windows system >>>>>> restore >>>>>> utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, and I will give you a >>>>>> perfect example. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a >>>>>> scanner >>>>>> with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different scanner that I was >>>>>> using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed the twain drivers for the >>>>>> new scanner, after trying to unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I >>>>>> found >>>>>> myself in a situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard >>>>>> windows >>>>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall >>>>>> windows to >>>>>> get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was having to spend >>>>>> hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we all know what >>>>>> happens >>>>>> after that. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine prior to >>>>>> having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. I then >>>>>> installed >>>>>> both on what was essentially a fresh copy of windows, and all was smooth >>>>>> sailing from there. It saved me from endless headaches, plus the burden >>>>>> of >>>>>> having to get a sighted person to help install the screen reader again, >>>>>> and >>>>>> the time that would have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some excellent >>>>>> demos >>>>>> of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how fusion and voiceover >>>>>> work, >>>>>> and he runs window eyes on the XP side of things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>>>> >>>>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or not, I've >>>>>> come across a few people who have expressed criticism if not concern >>>>>> about >>>>>> the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, and have enjoyed it >>>>>> tremendously. I've been able to do things with the phone I was never >>>>>> able to >>>>>> do with other phones. The only problem I still have is putting in >>>>>> extensions >>>>>> and account numbers once the number is connected. >>>>>> >>>>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy another >>>>>> phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any problem of >>>>>> any >>>>>> kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book pro on >>>>>> the >>>>>> drawing board. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and with the >>>>>> exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility right out of >>>>>> the >>>>>> box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with voice >>>>>> over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're conducting a >>>>>> business >>>>>> or doing a serious project, the mac is not for the blind user. This >>>>>> apparently has to do with the fact that the office aps are not accessible >>>>>> with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely sometimes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar with the >>>>>> product line, told me that the operating system was those who wanted to >>>>>> "play." >>>>>> >>>>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating systems >>>>>> address these issues. 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