That would be great, we'll have to wait and see what microsoft does. I think I might stick to iWork myself, as well. Olivia On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:37 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
> Well, this article may release some new light on the office on the mac > situation for us all. It is not in black and white yet but this article > suggests that office may just be written in Coco. Outlook will be coming to > the office suite and it will be written in coco. I am hoping the rest of the > apps will be also written in the language our beloved voice over recognises. > It's not concrete but later this year we may have access to the office suite > that is so essential to the business world. > http://www.tgdaily.com/services/48387-microsoft-touts-office-2011-for-mac-os-x > On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:13, Kaare Dehard wrote: > >> It comes down to what I've said choose the tools. Ms spreadsheet access is >> still better, and we can harrang apple in a kindly way til this changes, but >> I'm greedy, and do have bootcamp installed for these eventualities. >> It really is about chosing toools that fit the task even if in general >> terms, I don't like the manufactures of the tool. >> On 2010-04-21, at 4:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> good morning Denise, >>> >>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating that >>> the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University professor >>> (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish meaning) which >>> means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student exams and to carry >>> out other functions. However, I have not totally abandoned my Dell. While >>> the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like either the >>> Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided by VO. It's >>> just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will vehemently >>> disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets using Jaws >>> is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to this kind of >>> data that Jaws/Excel provide. >>> >>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a >>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in >>> full-screen mode. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dónal >>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders office. And >>>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to write >>>> briefs, with case citations. >>>> >>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others >>>> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>>> >>>> So thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law school, and >>>> who has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel I can >>>> helpfully answer your questions. >>>> >>>> Forgive the length of this email. >>>> >>>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter >>>> nonsense. >>>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use serious apps >>>> as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, allowing you to do >>>> extensive formatting of documents. Also, the preview application on the mac >>>> is one of the best PDF readers I have ever seen. The text is readable with >>>> voiceover, and there are few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can >>>> you say that about? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office applications not >>>> being accessible. It is true that they do not work with voiceover. However, >>>> for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a program called VMware fusion. >>>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as your >>>> mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you like for >>>> windows >>>> and run office without a hitch. >>>> >>>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have >>>> configured >>>> windows just the way you want it, you can create what is known as a >>>> snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its exact configuration >>>> at the time you took it, meaning you will always have a fresh install of >>>> windows, office, and your screen reader a click away. It's awesome, because >>>> it does a complete and utter system restore when windows decides to go >>>> south >>>> on you. For a blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better >>>> than a standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when you >>>> took >>>> it. It is much more extensive than using the built in windows system >>>> restore >>>> utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, and I will give you a >>>> perfect example. >>>> >>>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a scanner >>>> with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different scanner that I was >>>> using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed the twain drivers for the >>>> new scanner, after trying to unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found >>>> myself in a situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows >>>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall windows >>>> to >>>> get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was having to spend >>>> hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we all know what happens >>>> after that. >>>> >>>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine prior to >>>> having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. I then installed >>>> both on what was essentially a fresh copy of windows, and all was smooth >>>> sailing from there. It saved me from endless headaches, plus the burden of >>>> having to get a sighted person to help install the screen reader again, and >>>> the time that would have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some excellent demos >>>> of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how fusion and voiceover >>>> work, >>>> and he runs window eyes on the XP side of things. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>>> >>>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or not, I've >>>> come across a few people who have expressed criticism if not concern about >>>> the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, and have enjoyed it >>>> tremendously. I've been able to do things with the phone I was never able >>>> to >>>> do with other phones. The only problem I still have is putting in >>>> extensions >>>> and account numbers once the number is connected. >>>> >>>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy another >>>> phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>>> >>>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any problem of any >>>> kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>>> >>>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>>> >>>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book pro on >>>> the >>>> drawing board. >>>> >>>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and with the >>>> exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility right out of the >>>> box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>>> >>>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with voice >>>> over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're conducting a business >>>> or doing a serious project, the mac is not for the blind user. This >>>> apparently has to do with the fact that the office aps are not accessible >>>> with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely sometimes. >>>> >>>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar with the >>>> product line, told me that the operating system was those who wanted to >>>> "play." >>>> >>>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating systems >>>> address these issues. 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