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On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote: > I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main machine. > However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1. I am > forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway! > > > On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> good morning Denise, >> >> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating that >> the Mac can be used as a productivity tool. I am a University professor (in >> the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish meaning) which >> means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student exams and to carry >> out other functions. However, I have not totally abandoned my Dell. While >> the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like either the >> Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided by VO. It's >> just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will vehemently >> disagree, but I still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets using Jaws >> is unparallelled. Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to this kind of >> data that Jaws/Excel provide. >> >> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a lovely >> PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in full-screen mode. >> >> Cheers >> >> Dónal >> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders office. And >>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to write >>> briefs, with case citations. >>> >>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others >>> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot. >>> >>> So thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: the apple user? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law school, and >>> who has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel I can >>> helpfully answer your questions. >>> >>> Forgive the length of this email. >>> >>> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter nonsense. >>> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use serious apps >>> as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, allowing you to do >>> extensive formatting of documents. Also, the preview application on the mac >>> is one of the best PDF readers I have ever seen. The text is readable with >>> voiceover, and there are few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can >>> you say that about? >>> >>> >>> >>> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office applications not >>> being accessible. It is true that they do not work with voiceover. However, >>> for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a program called VMware fusion. >>> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as your >>> mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you like for windows >>> and run office without a hitch. >>> >>> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have configured >>> windows just the way you want it, you can create what is known as a >>> snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its exact configuration >>> at the time you took it, meaning you will always have a fresh install of >>> windows, office, and your screen reader a click away. It's awesome, because >>> it does a complete and utter system restore when windows decides to go south >>> on you. For a blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better >>> than a standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot >>> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when you took >>> it. It is much more extensive than using the built in windows system restore >>> utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, and I will give you a >>> perfect example. >>> >>> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a scanner >>> with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different scanner that I was >>> using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed the twain drivers for the >>> new scanner, after trying to unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found >>> myself in a situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows >>> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall windows to >>> get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was having to spend >>> hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we all know what happens >>> after that. >>> >>> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine prior to >>> having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. I then installed >>> both on what was essentially a fresh copy of windows, and all was smooth >>> sailing from there. It saved me from endless headaches, plus the burden of >>> having to get a sighted person to help install the screen reader again, and >>> the time that would have been wasted in such a pursuit. >>> >>> I hope this helps answer your questions. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some excellent demos >>> of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how fusion and voiceover work, >>> and he runs window eyes on the XP side of things. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Please forgive the length of this message. >>> >>> In researching the issue of whether to purchase an apple mac or not, I've >>> come across a few people who have expressed criticism if not concern about >>> the mac computers themselves. I own the iphone, and have enjoyed it >>> tremendously. I've been able to do things with the phone I was never able to >>> do with other phones. The only problem I still have is putting in extensions >>> and account numbers once the number is connected. >>> >>> But having said this, I seriously doubt whether I will ever buy another >>> phone, where I don't have accessibility built in. >>> >>> There is an applestoe here in Chicago, and when I've had any problem of any >>> kind, the sales staff has been very easy to deal with. >>> >>> Even when I call on the telephone, I find a very friendly staff. >>> >>> I have my own personal sales representative since I have mac book pro on the >>> drawing board. >>> >>> What I enjoy most of all, is that I can go to an appelstore, and with the >>> exception of a couple of products, there is accessibility right out of the >>> box, with no extra costs or smas to worry about. >>> >>> I'm seeking opinions from those of you who use these computers with voice >>> over. The biggest criticism I've heard that if you're conducting a business >>> or doing a serious project, the mac is not for the blind user. This >>> apparently has to do with the fact that the office aps are not accessible >>> with vo, and iwork9 acts strangely sometimes. >>> >>> Basically, one person, who doesn't use the mac, but is familiar with the >>> product line, told me that the operating system was those who wanted to >>> "play." >>> >>> Can those you have used the macbooks or other appel operating systems >>> address these issues. 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