I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually have offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of children who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their accessible phones list. I guess the information has not filtered across to their organisation who carries out the support. So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it.
On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote: > Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational > system. As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple > store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store. But > a 12 year old not so much. I think younger people must be exposed to other > options. It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is. It's > just creating a market where people can obtain access to the technology they > need without selling their first born. lol. If anything, I think Apple has > started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit. It becomes > harder for them to justified the cost of their products. > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote: > >> I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other >> staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I >> think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely >> flexible. :) >> >> On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote: >> >>> I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on >>> their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like >>> their one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that >>> have been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth <marie.jane2...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual >>> may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is >>> also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know >>> due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store >>> are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming >>> from Apple in the near future. >>> >>> On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> I'd very much doubt it Rob. I don't know what it's like in other >>>> countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted. >>>> Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as >>>> windows-based Pcs. Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers >>>> on the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent. The >>>> fact that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new >>>> platform, and then educate themselves in a new style of assistive >>>> technology makes it pretty certain that the majority of blind users will >>>> be stuck with Jaws and other badly implemented screenreaders for the >>>> foreseeable future. >>>> >>>> It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case. >>>> >>>> Dónal >>>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert >>>> Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47 >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: new member >>>> >>>> Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer <joeplum...@tds.net> wrote: >>>> For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sign, >>>> Joe Plummer ( JP ) >>>> joeplum...@tds.net >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: new member >>>> >>>> Hello Denise, >>>> >>>> I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS >>>> Office for Mac is not accessible. >>>> >>>> As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read >>>> these >>>> just fine. >>>> >>>> I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows >>>> user. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote: >>>> >>>> > hello, >>>> > after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my >>>> experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book >>>> pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of >>>> ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity. >>>> > i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the >>>> one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago. >>>> > i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your >>>> other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw >>>> stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to >>>> apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again? >>>> > I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony machine for these purposes. >>>> there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side >>>> and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be >>>> apprciated. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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