That is what an apple store is for.
My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice.
The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to
greater
keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn
voiceover itself.
Oh yet another question on that front.
does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to
enhanced?
Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but
that can
be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I
mean.
On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote:
> Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on >
mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle
on > the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac
commands.
> > Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over
and work > with you.
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Well...apparently I must have missed a detail.
> > going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all.
It > > does
> > put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a
> > solidly
> > understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow.
> > Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that
does > > not
> > cause a problem.
> > and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere,
> > Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage
to > > launch
> > text edit I would end up on a text field.
> > I might add, that there is not a more fluid display
layout...its > > quite
> > frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just
heard, > > and
> > there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate.
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> > > > > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder,
and > > > you’re good to go.D
> > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > >
<klewel...@shellworld.net> > > wrote:
> > > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder?
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> > > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of
> > default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder
and > > do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps
folder. You > > can also use Siri to > > > open apps.
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > >
> > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if
> > voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there.
> > > > > > Are applications normally in the docs?
> > > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source
suggested > > that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop.
> > > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like,
> > which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated.
> > > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal.
> > > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a
service, > > called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen
reader.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan
Cohn > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the
VO-D > > then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications
followed by > > return will > > > > > launch the application.
> > > > > > > Alternatively, you could use the open command in
terminal.
> > > > > > > open -a textedit
> > > > > > > will open and activate the textedit application
> > > > > > > open myDocument.txt
> > > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the default application
for > > that > > > > > file
> > > > > > > open -a textedit myDocument.txt
> > > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application
> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is some more info:
> > > > > > > joncohn@speedy ~ %
> > > > > > > open: unrecognized option `--help'
> > > > > > > Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h]
[-s > > <partial > > > > > SDK name>][-b <bundle identifier>] [-a >
> <application>] [-u URL] > > > > > [filenames] [--args arguments]
> > > > > > > Help: Open opens files from a shell.
> > > > > > > By default, opens each file using the default > >
application > > > > > for that file.
> > > > > > > If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will
be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opened as a URL.
> > > > > > > Options:
> > > > > > > -a Opens with > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > specified application.
> > > > > > > -b Opens with > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > specified application bundle identifier.
> > > > > > > -e Opens with > > > > > > > > >
> > > TextEdit.
> > > > > > > -t Opens with > > > > > > >
default > > > > > > > text editor.
> > > > > > > -f Reads input > > > > > > >
from > > > > > > > standard input and opens with TextEdit.
> > > > > > > -F --fresh Launches the app > > > > > >
> fresh, > > > > > > > that is, without restoring windows. Saved
persistent state is > > > > > > > lost, excluding Untitled documents.
> > > > > > > -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > instead of opening.
> > > > > > > -W, --wait-apps Blocks until the used > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > applications are closed (even if they were
already running).
> > > > > > > --args All remaining > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > arguments are passed in argv to the application's
main() > > > > > > > function instead of opened.
> > > > > > > -n, --new Open a new instance > > > >
> > > of > > > > > > > the application even if one is already running.
> > > > > > > -j, --hide Launches the app > > > > > >
> hidden.
> > > > > > > -g, --background Does not bring the > > > > >
> > application > > > > > > > to the foreground.
> > > > > > > -h, --header Searches header file > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > locations for headers matching the given
filenames, and opens > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > -s For -h, the > > > > > > >
SDK to > > > > > > > use; if supplied, only SDKs whose names contain
the argument > > > > > > > value are searched.
> > > > > > > Otherwise > > > > > > > the
> > > > > highest > > versioned SDK in each platform is used.
> > > > > > > -u, --url URL Open this URL, even if > > >
> > > > it > > > > > > > matches exactly a filepath
> > > > > > > -i, --stdin PATH Launches the application > >
> > > > > with > > > > > > > stdin connected to PATH; defaults to
/dev/null
> > > > > > > -o, --stdout PATH Launches the application > >
> > > > > with > > > > > > > /dev/stdout connected to PATH;
> > > > > > > --stderr PATH Launches the > > > > > > >
application with > > > > > > > /dev/stderr connected to PATH to
> > > > > > > --env VAR Add an enviroment > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > variable to the launched process, where VAR is
formatted AAA=foo > > > > > > > or just AAA for a null string value.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Cohn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at
19:57, > > Karen Lewellen > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > > > > > One thing I am personally finding I seriously need
is > > basic > > > > > > keyboard typing practice.
> > > > > > > > On my main computers, because I have been using
them > > for so > > > > > > many years, I am a swift typist who is
very very > > very used > > > > > > to keeping my hands on the
main keyboard and > > knowing where I > > > > > > am from a screen
reader standpoint as > > well.
> > > > > > > > I am personally feeling that some time with either
> > textedit, > > > > > > or pages, will let me just practice
typing > > with no fear that I > > > > > > will set something off
with the mac > > itself.
> > > > > > > > I want to be so solid with my typing that entering
my > > password > > > > > > without input will be effortless, I
doubt I can > > turn off > > > > > > having to provide his for my
apple ID for > > example.
> > > > > > > > so, at this stage, what is the fastest way to load
> > textedit? > > > > > > say using the menu bar, if that is an
option?
> > > > > > > > I will want to know as well how to keep certain
programs > > I use > > > > > > often either in the finder, or in
the menu, bar, > > which > > > > > > ever is most practical.
> > > > > > > > I am used to just typing whatever starts the
program, I > > never > > > > > > used windows at all.
> > > > > > > > Ideas?
> > > > > > > > Kare
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