Hi Herbie, Okay, that procedure worked. I like not having to interact in this case. I hope it works for Patrick. Brad, sorry I was snarky, I’m ill and should not have bothered with this today. Best,
Les > On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Don’t forget guys we also discussed the alternative method of navigation > without interaction. When you get to the table, do an option down aero, then > up aero and you will find the clock menu that way. VO right, and you will see > all the options for date and what not. > Herbie > >> On Nov 18, 2021, at 09:56, Patrick Ford <xplorer1...@gmail.com >> <mailto:xplorer1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, when you get to the point in the table after interacting then you can >> use command plus down arrow and then only use the up arrow to get to the >> clock menu - it's strange but it works - >> Come and See >> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io >> <mailto:scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io> >> >>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Brad, >>> >>> Okay, I tried your steps. I’m running Monterey. When I get to the empty >>> cell announcements, I did a VO right arrow. I never heard row 15, rather >>> row 17 which was the first numbered row spoken. So I went back two to what >>> I thought was Row 15 and heard Fast User Switching. Aside from not finding >>> the Clock option, this entire procedure seems rather complicated. My one >>> complaint about Mac software is the need to interact as often as one needs >>> to do. I did try activating items that were referenced as empty cells, but >>> again I could not activate the clock. More trouble than it’s worth. >>> Best, >>> >>> Les >>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Patrick, >>>> >>>> Assuming you are running either macOS Big Sur or Monterey, try the >>>> following, and see if it helps: >>>> >>>> 1. Go to System Preferences > Dock & Menu Bar. >>>> 2. Navigate to the table, and interact with the table using VO + Shift + >>>> DownArrow. >>>> 3. Once you have interacted with the table, navigate to the item labeled >>>> Clock Menu Bar, and stop interacting with the table by pressing VO + Shift >>>> + UpArrow. >>>> >>>> Note: There seems to be a VoiceOver issue when navigating this table with >>>> macOS Monterey, in that labels for some table items are not spoken by >>>> VoiceOver. Instead of speaking the correct label name for some items, >>>> VoiceOver may say Empty Cell, or VoiceOver may speak a row number. >>>> In any case, the Clock Menu Bar item is the 4th row from the bottom of the >>>> table, which is row 15. >>>> >>>> 4. Once you have stoped interacting with the table, navigate using VO + >>>> RightArrow, until you hear VoiceOver speak Clock, and then Date Options, >>>> which is followed by several items, that can be selected or unselected to >>>> suit your preferences. >>>> 5. Once you have made your selection, close the System Preferences >>>> window, and you are done. >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 05:52, Patrick Ford <xplorer1...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:xplorer1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> In the clock menu of doc and menus in system preferences I cannot make any >>>> changes. As I VO right arrow to make a change to the date and time it says >>>> it is dimmed and checked and some say dimmed and unchecked. How do I make >>>> the change I wish to make? 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