The only uninteracting you should have to do is the search bar, once you find the menu, VO right, don’t do anything with interacting.
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:58, Patrick Ford <xplorer1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > once at the clock menu - stop interacting and then vo right and find your > choices that you need in the clock and/or date and time - > Come and See > scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io > <mailto:scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io> > >> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com >> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Brad, >> Your suggestion is well-taken. I will contact Apple. I am able to get to the >> clock, I hear Clock Menu Bar but cannot do anything from there. I checked >> this out, as I felt I had inadvertently misled Patrick. Well, as they say, >> no good deed goes unpunished. Since I got this far, can you explain how I >> proceed once reaching the clock Menu bar? By the way, on my system, it is >> row 17 according to Voiceover. Thanks for the assist and the procedure. >> Best Regards, >> >> Les >> >>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Les, >>> >>> Sorry to hear you are having difficulty following my instructions. >>> The Clock Menu item is the 4th item from the bottom of the table. There is >>> no interacting with this item. You simply stop interacting with the table, >>> and navigate to the right using VO + RightArrow. >>> Other than VoiceOver not reading items in the table, I find this procedure >>> works very well. >>> If you have an issue with this process, I suggest you contact Apple, and >>> share your thoughts with them. >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 09:53, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Brad, >>> >>> Okay, I tried your steps. I’m running Monterey. When I get to the empty >>> cell announcements, I did a VO right arrow. I never heard row 15, rather >>> row 17 which was the first numbered row spoken. So I went back two to what >>> I thought was Row 15 and heard Fast User Switching. Aside from not finding >>> the Clock option, this entire procedure seems rather complicated. My one >>> complaint about Mac software is the need to interact as often as one needs >>> to do. I did try activating items that were referenced as empty cells, but >>> again I could not activate the clock. More trouble than it’s worth. >>> Best, >>> >>> Les >>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Patrick, >>>> >>>> Assuming you are running either macOS Big Sur or Monterey, try the >>>> following, and see if it helps: >>>> >>>> 1. Go to System Preferences > Dock & Menu Bar. >>>> 2. Navigate to the table, and interact with the table using VO + Shift + >>>> DownArrow. >>>> 3. Once you have interacted with the table, navigate to the item labeled >>>> Clock Menu Bar, and stop interacting with the table by pressing VO + Shift >>>> + UpArrow. >>>> >>>> Note: There seems to be a VoiceOver issue when navigating this table with >>>> macOS Monterey, in that labels for some table items are not spoken by >>>> VoiceOver. Instead of speaking the correct label name for some items, >>>> VoiceOver may say Empty Cell, or VoiceOver may speak a row number. >>>> In any case, the Clock Menu Bar item is the 4th row from the bottom of the >>>> table, which is row 15. >>>> >>>> 4. Once you have stoped interacting with the table, navigate using VO + >>>> RightArrow, until you hear VoiceOver speak Clock, and then Date Options, >>>> which is followed by several items, that can be selected or unselected to >>>> suit your preferences. >>>> 5. Once you have made your selection, close the System Preferences >>>> window, and you are done. >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 05:52, Patrick Ford <xplorer1...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:xplorer1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> In the clock menu of doc and menus in system preferences I cannot make any >>>> changes. As I VO right arrow to make a change to the date and time it says >>>> it is dimmed and checked and some say dimmed and unchecked. How do I make >>>> the change I wish to make? I know there is a way to have Seri just say the >>>> time without the date mentioned. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> >>>> Come and See >>>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io >>>> <mailto:scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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