I don't think it's going too far off topic, maybe a little since I'm speaking of Zoom, but we're still talking about word processors. While I agree that Apple should take steps to make zoom work properly with pages, I think other with other programs, it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa framework so that everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom Users. I also agree that having both Zoom and VO working together is *Very* competitive to a Zootext/screenreader package on windows. Apple has done a great deal to make Zoom one of the best full screen magnifiers available, and as I sit here typing this email effortlessly with zoom, I think about all the other productivity I get done on my machine and am grateful for that. We get access, and the luxury of using probably the Best UI in the world (ok I know I sound like a fanboy here, but I just never had much *fun* with windows or linux). That said, here's to hoping for further advances, and yes I'll surely do my part whenever possible.
On Feb 13, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote: > I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have > used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most > of them very basic to its use. Although I've reported these, I've seen no > change in its performance since Tiger. To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver > combination has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but the > commitment isn't there. I would urge you and any others who have an interest > in seeing that potential realized to report issues and make sure Apple gets > the message. I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from pulling this > thread way OT. > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > >> Will do! I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use a >> combination of both at a lot of times. Thanks for the tip! >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >> >>> You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more >>> than simple. >>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >>> >>>> This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too >>>> long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine >>>> there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for cursor >>>> tracking with Zoom. I thought, well, so much for advanced word processing >>>> or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate back to >>>> Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing with >>>> Textedit. >>>> >>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole on >>>>> the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I Work >>>>> support. >>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. THe >>>>>> more folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get >>>>>> addressed sooner than later. I have been sending feedback to >>>>>> accessibil...@apple.com and via support as well. >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a few >>>>>>> hang-ups however. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered lists. >>>>>>> 2. You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: >>>>>>> objects embedded in the document. That being said however, you can >>>>>>> read and use objects to a large degree if the are floating. In the >>>>>>> later case, they are in the lay-out area. There ways to make an >>>>>>> in-line object floating and there are indications that an object is >>>>>>> present in a document because vo will say "hi-lited" hen you move the >>>>>>> insertion point of it. >>>>>>> 3. Templates seem totally unusable to me. Someone else might have a >>>>>>> better handle on that but there seems to be things like text boxes with >>>>>>> in-line text boxes. So it's not a nice situation for vo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As it stands, I think that document creation using vo is very doable. >>>>>>> Due to the problems I mentioned however, I think that collaborative >>>>>>> writing projects, or any situation where you will have to read a >>>>>>> document that someone else did using Word, will be problematic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:21 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Listers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am thinking of purchasing the latest version of I Work, but before >>>>>>>> doing so is there enough VO support to justify the purchase? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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(Basque for G'day, Mates) >> Pete Nalda >> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda >> http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Egun On, Lagunak! 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