How does one delete an unwanted app from iPhone with vo running? On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com > wrote:
> I started my current Mac experience by borrowing a Mac Mini from a vendor > who sold assistive technology for Windows. I wanted to prove that what they > said about the mac was wrong, that they couldn't use it effectively as blind > folks. I dumped my old pc and started use the Mac full time from the > beginning and i haven't looked back since. True i have a virtual machine but > that's mostly for playing audio games that are not available on the Mac yet. > I do not miss the single key keystrokes much and i'm so glad i got rid of > that virtual buffer and all the other ways windows screen reading software > spoon feeds us. > /Krister > 12 feb 2010 kl. 09.13 skrev Nicolai Svendsen: > > > Hi, > > > > I use VoiceOver the most, and I'm way more efficient using VoiceOver now. > I found that, if you were loading absolutely massive webpages, JAWS/Window > Eyes first had to load all the contents into their virtual buffer before you > could do as much as navigate. I personally see that as a huge drawback to > efficiency. The only reason JAWS or Window-Eyes, not to mention NVDA among > others take advantage of one-letter navigation keys in HTML environments is > probably because they have that drawback. VoiceOVer might be able to, but > the issue would be that, if you're in a form field, you'd need Forms mode > which I'm so glad to get rid of. With a Windows-based screenreader, you have > to exit forms mode, then use H to go to the next heading, whereas with > VoiceOver you can simply do it within the field itself due to separate > commands. That'll still slow you down, no matter how fast you are. It's > still an extra keystroke, regardless of Auto-forms mode. You still have to > exit it one way or the other. > > > > Just as a note, I can actually hit VO-H with one hand without much > effort. I can't hit VO-Shift-H, but if I have to use that keystroke I'll > just use the right shift key. > > > > You knew what you were getting into, though. You knew the functionality > existed, but it's bound to be different as it's an entirely different > operating system. I can't stress that enough. > > > > Suggestion: Dump your Windows computer in the trash and spend all time on > the Mac. You always have virtual machines if you need to do something you > know you can only do on Windows, but the way you'll really get efficient in > navigation with VoiceOver is to get rid of all Window-sbased solutions and > just suck it up when something is a bit different. I say that because that > worked for me, and it's the best thing I ever did. It's not an insult to any > new switchers, just something to consider. I yet have to understand why > people buy Macbook Pros if they might not even like the operating system or > the screenreader. Just something I've been wondering, since it's mostly > people who have never used Macs who seem to buy them. Or, at least, people > who hardly have used Macs or even people who aren't open to the idea of > using a Mac. > > > > Regards, > > Nic > > Skype: Kvalme > > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > > AIM: cincinster > > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > > Facebook Profile > > My Twitter > > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > > >> Mary, > >> > >> What I was pointing out is that jumping from heading to heading may not > be as simple as just pressing h, but the functionality still exists, even if > you have to hold some additional keys down. In the end you use what works > best for you. YOu say browsing using IE on windows is more efficient for you > and that is great, but for me I have found ways of becoming very efficient > using VO and Safari. In fact I prefer in nearly all cases now, using VO and > Safari. There was a time I may have agreed with you, but as I really became > comfortable with VO and the entire Mac experience, I really have no use for > windows or windows-based screen readers. Well the only reason I use windows > personally is for some courses I am taking that use news groups and so far > outlook express is the only choice I have found thus far and since most the > materials have to be produced using Word, I have to drag that out. > Otherwise, I honestly do find the Mac works well for me. Again, you use what > works for you because being efficient and productive is most important. > >> On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Scott, > >>> I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the > differences between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes > or Jaws and Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between > pressing h by itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h to move > among headers. And you say this is easily done with one hand? You must have > amazing hands. I can no way do that. I've been touch typing for decades. It > gets even more interesting when you add the shift into the mix to go up the > page in reverse order. Doable? yes? As easy as pressing one key? Not by a > long shot. Are there other benefits, such as not having to go in and out of > forms mode? for sure. The added functionality for VO on the web in Snow > Leopard is one of the main reasons I decided to try a Mac. I really > appreciate the numpad commander, although learning it was not as intuitive > as learning mnemonics on the regular keyboard. In no way is the rotor as > efficient for me as having that array of single letter keystrokes that let > me move among various web elements at will. Another thing I hope can be > implemented in the future is a means of letting focus return to where it was > when you return back to a previously visited page. That's a big time saver > with the Windows screen readers, although it doesn't always work. Its > nonexistent with vo. I like the fact that pages seem to load faster with > Safari than they do with IE and a screen reader. Over all, for me, the > Windows experience is still more efficient. But there are pluses with the > Mac, and I'm hoping it will keep improving. Group mode is something I have > tried and dropped. I just never found a page where it seemed to offer any > advantage, since I don't really care how the page is laid out. I want info > and where it is on the page just doesn't seem very important to me, so long > as I can get to it efficiently. 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