The start up chime is not an accessibility feature,
It is a company feature.
It has slightly changed over the years,
And has been used in movies
I believe that apple didn't take it in to account at how we used it as a
notification feature that he machine was coming on.
I'm guessing that if we contacted them enough about it they would start looking
at it again once we all started explaining what it was good for.
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2018 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mac OS Start up Chimes
Well, speaking only for myself, as silly as it may sound, I am heart-sick that
Apple has removed the startup chime from its computer firmware startup process..
I don't understand how a company that is supposed to take accessibility
seriously, can remove one of the most basic accessibility features; and,
moreover, one that has been available from the virtual beginning of the line.
It's bad enough that, despite countless requests, Apple has refused to provide
some kind of vibratory feedback for iphone startup and shutdown but to remove
the startup chime from the computers as well?
Where are all of these Apple in-house accessibility specialists? What are they
doing?
You know, each and every time I power on and shut down my Android phones, I
receive vibratory feedback. It is really amazing how much comfort that brings
me.
I think we should all submit some kind of feedback on this startup chime issue,
as an accessibility feature, to https://www.apple.com/feedback
Okay, as for the upcoming iOS devices?
I think that many companies will be adopting under-the-screen fingerprint
reading technology. If Apple adds this feature to this year's phones, I'll be
delighted and will probably buy one. However, if, as I strongly suspect, they
do not include the new finger print technology and completely remove Touch ID
from the new devices, then I'll stay pat with my 8 Plus as I really do love
this phone. I strongly suspect that the 8 series will continue to be sold for
those who are not ready/willing to abandon Touch ID.
Perhaps, next year, then, the new finger print reading technology will be ready
for Apple primetime.
Just my opinion, of course.
Mark
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes
Hi,
Not if you want the chime in the same time frame. I've seen people come up
with startup scripts that make noise, but it's later on in the startup process.
Thus, you would not be able to use it as an indicator of when to hold down
special keys. Just for clarification purposes, the firmware is accessed right
away after power up or restart, whereas any user specific items are accessed
after the OS begins loading from the drive.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Sep 1, 2018, at 19:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
So can they build it in as something other than a firmware setting? I take
your point, but just asking.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 1, 2018, at 8:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hi,
With it being a firmware item, it's not something that can be user specific.
That is, settings within the firmware are not able to be modified by the
enduser, just by Apple themselves. This is a security thing and is partially
why the Mac is a more secure system than Windows. Don't get me wrong though,
I'm not defending them as I would much prefer that the chime remain active,
just need to make things clear.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Sep 1, 2018, at 19:10, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hey Simon,
I get that sighted users may not want it, but it seems like they could preserve
it as an option so that anyone, sighted or not, could make the decision for
themselves.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 1, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
Hi Donna,
Yes I agree,
They should all to the users about what they are looking for rate then tell us
what we want.
The start up come is something that apple have had for years and years. I’d
like to know why they stopped it.
Simon Fogarty
Dunedin, NZ
Em: si...@fogarty.net.
On 1/09/2018, at 1:47 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated with
Apple. I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would include an option
for a faster iPhone 8. Face ID sucks. It takes significantly longer to unlock
your phone, and is much more finicky. I'm feeling resentful that Apple is
trying to force me into a technology that I have tried, and do not like. I
don't want Face ID. I don't need a ginormous screen. I sure as h*** don't
need three cameras. I'm starting to wonder if my next phone will be a cheapy
that makes calls and texts, and I do the rest from my Mac. I don't want some
giant tech company to dictate how I will use technology. If Apple wants to
continue to promote face recognition to the exclusion of more convenient
technologies, that's their prerogative. But they should have kept a touch
option available for those of us who tried face ID and know it sucks. And as
for the new flick up for home? It sucks, too. Being able to quickly press a
home button--be it actual or virtual--was much more efficient. My only
power--small though it may be--is my purchasing power. And I am really
wondering if my next phone will be a non-Apple product.
I know this is only tangentially related to the start-up chime, but I feel it's
all part of the same thing. Why not leave the chime enabled, or at least make
it an option for those who want it? Why should Apple be deciding this for us?
They seem to want to make an argument that they are not big-brotherish, but
actually, they're no better than the rest.
Donna
On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:51 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
Stupid that they removed it.
On 8/31/18, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
Hi shaun,
Yeah the line in the web page details that say:
Feature removed by apple on latest firmware, doesn't work anymore.”
Kind of says to me that this doesn’t work anymore.
Oh well, other people can keep trying.
From: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 31 August 2018 6:03 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes
There is no proof that this command works. I've heard from experts that it
doesn't but go ahead and try it yourself.
Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
On Aug 29, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Anders Holmberg
<and...@pipkrokodil.se<mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
Hi!
Found this link.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/tutorial-disable-auto-boot-on-new-macbook-pros.2011044/
Try that and see if it helps.
/A
29 aug. 2018 kl. 11:32 skrev Simon Fogarty
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:
Hi Listers
Ok so I'm kind of getting hacked off with the fact my new work Mac Book Pro
doesn't do the start up chimes that Apple / mac computers have done since long
before I started using Mac products.
I've got VO starting at log in but when for some reason I need to force restart
for some unknown reason, if I use the power button to turn off / on the machine
I never know when it's restarting until it starts talking to me, If I'm lucky
enough for vo to still be talking.I know this effects us all, But have we ever
or has anyone ever contacted Apple accessibility to explain that this chime at
start up would be really useful to us the sight impaired to know when / if our
machines are starting up Or do in my case I just keep thinking the batteries
dead and put it on mains power when I don't need to.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Regards
Slightly P'd off mac book pro user.
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