Hi ET, Basically, you're correct. Although in this case, the form fields in the pdf's were visible to apps like PDFPen Pro, and were usable by sighted users of the Preview app. These same form fields were not accessible though to us as VO users. So, in this case, whether I had a properly labelled form or not, I could not use Preview to work within the form itself other than to read textual information. If I remember correctly, Preview would not even read the contents of the field after text had been entered using a different pdf app. So, improvements were made in Preview with respect to its accessibility in one respect, but to the detriment of other aspects of it's usability from a VO prospective.
Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 29, 2017, at 17:15, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: Tim, Interesting topic. In essence, is it not true that accessibility ultimately is up to the document creator;s efforts, or lack thereof, therefore no PDF app can overcome the lack of accessibility? >From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 10/29/2017 11:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi Mary, > I also use PDFPen Pro for pdf's. It is accessible, handles forms well, and > seems to read things in a more cohesive manner. It's not a free pdf app > though. Regarding reporting of the bug, I would suggest Apple Accessibility > for now since it primarily is an accessibility of Preview concern, not > necessarily a Preview app bug. > Later... > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Oct 29, 2017, at 11:04, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tim, one other thing. You mentioned reporting a bug with this PDF reading. > Is that just to Apple accessibility? Or is there another place to report that > might give better results? I would be happy to report a bug if possible. I > really really do not want to have to buy another Windows machine. But if I > can't get this in a couple of other things sorted, I will have to do that. > Mary > Sent from my iPhone >> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Mary, >> >> Actually, if you interact with Page 1, then VO-down through the pdf, it will >> glide straight past page changes without the need to interact with each >> separate page. The problem with the VO-a does seem to be present though >> where it only reads the current element, not the entire document. This is >> an issue for sure and I will be submitting a bug report to have it dealt >> with. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Oct 28, 2017, at 16:04, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I finally upgraded my Mac to high Sierra. I found a simple PDF in my email >> folder. I finally figured out how to open the attachment. It opened in >> preview and there is a document group containing three pages. It would >> appear that you have to enter act with each page if you want to read it. >> That is unnecessary in my opinion. If you do it a read all from the top of >> page 1, I want to read straight through, or have the option to stop and >> continue, such as if there is a table, which in this case there isn't. >> Anyway, is there anyway to actually get this thing to read? Even on a page >> with some text, I'm told that there are such and so many items, and I can't >> get a continuous read to go all the way through. In other words, this is as >> screwed up as it ever was. What am I missing? Where are the improvements? >> I'm thinking about trying skim. But I would like to know a little bit more >> about that app before I pay for it and find it doesn't meet my needs either. >> I'm really not that demanding. 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