Yes, currently, the gesture must be a sharp
angle, and it must be completed within 1/4 to
1/3 of a second. If they increase the time to a
couple seconds, that could help quite a bit.
Also, it would help if they slightly soften the
right angle and absolutely straight line
requirements. This is where Apple is still ahead.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
> On 17/12/2016, at 11:51, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Just A Suggestion
> But What about simply Altering TheSensitivity
of the Angle Gestures, so TalkBack users don't
All have to Perform Them at the Same Pace-Speed
>
> Only A Suggestion
> At 12:00 PM 12/16/2016, you wrote:
>> Angle gestures are significantly easier for
anyone who, at one time in the past, had enough
vision to write print / handwriting, no matter
the level of vision loss now. We did some (not
rigorous) experimentation with a few people
from both vision and never had vision
backgrounds, and found that those who had
vision were able to master the angle gestures.
>>
>> Android's very open configurability is
fabulous. almost all gestures can be assigned
to different commands. However, until they open
up for multiple finger gestures, or change from
right-angle gestures to arcs, or in some other
way adjust the gesture input such that totally
congenitally blind people are able to perform
them consistently without training, I cannot
use the devices as a power user, or recommend
the device to power users who fit the above
limitations. Note: if and when Google makes the
necessary adjustments to TalkBack, I will start
using those devices much more regularly.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 17/12/2016, at 02:58, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, this may be off-topic, but I believe
there is a little bit of misinformation here.
>> >
>> > It is possible to use granularities
without using the L-shaped gestures. For
example, I have a single flick down set to
swipe to next granularity, and a single flick
up set to swipe to previous granularity. I can
go through words characters lines paragraphs,
and even the HTML elements that are available
in the granularity menu. This is not quite as
robust as the iOS router, but I believe that it
is easier in the short term that learning to
use the router. While I have no problem using
the router myself, many of my customers did at
least at first. Most of them picked it up
eventually, but it definitely took practice and
effort, just as the L-shaped gestures do. After
much practice, I have no problem with the L
shape gestures anymore either, and use them on a regular basis.
>> >
>> > Regarding labeling of Graphics, this is
something that should be handled by Developers.
New paradigm philosophy requires that
developers insert Tags and ID's for everything.
It shouldn't be up to a screen reader to assign
labels, however, talk back can label graphics.
I'm not sure if you can do this on iOS, but on
Android you can backup your graphics files, and
you can share your graphicsfiles. Inclusive
android.com has a feature that allows users to
share their Graphics label files. Once a
plethora of graphic files become available for
download, it should take a lot of the pressure
off of developers of popular applications to go
through and fix that which was actually
broken. It should also allow users to get up
and running quicker out of the box.
>> >
>> > I still prefer iOS for browsing the
internet, and reading on my Braille display. I
definitely use Android far more often though. I
use it for typing and word processing, checking
my email, managing web host and FTP servers,
numerous forms of entertainment, transportation
and mobility, and all types of communication.
All of the most popular Crossover apps, such as
Microsoft Office, Skype, TuneIn Radio, WhatsApp
Messenger, and so on are just as accessible and
work very similarly on both IOS and Android. I
am a regular user and admirer of both platforms
comma and I would hate to see someone directed
away from a device they think they might like,
just because there's information out there
saying the device isn't fully accessible when it actually is.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Erik
>> >
>> > Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> > http://www.aqua-mail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >> On December 16, 2016 7:59:41 AM David
Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yes, Android development is interesting.
>> >>
>> >> Someone in the US NFB posted a blog post
comparing TalkBack and VoiceOver. The author
loves the fact that Android is very
configurable. The author also comments a fair
amount about many more unlabeled buttons.
>> >>
>> >> The author admits that it takes a few
attempts each time to activate the angle
gestures, which call up the global and local
menus. So, the author usually does not use the
global and local menus. Well, not using these
menus is similar to not using the rotor in
VoiceOver. It would make things more difficult,
unless one merely uses basic iOS functionality.
>> >>
>> >> Given that I use my iPhone to run my
business, I would not be able to do so with an
Android device (I have two of them). I need the advanced functionality.
>> >>
>> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On 17/12/2016, at 00:48, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I think we should with hold that opinion
until the next round of phones, the 10th
anniversary version is supposed to be a radical change.
>> >>>
>> >>> Then again though, why change something
that works? Performance improvements and such
are great but really the platform is pretty
good. I hear people make these claims but my
point is who̢۪s doidoing better? Definitely
not Microsoft, windows 10 sucks, Google is
doing interesting things but behind the curve,
Linux is also interesting but pretty
specialized for we engineering and systems
folks. Who has a better option right now? For
all the griping we have on list try using an
Android device and get back to me.:). People
are catching up to Apple so I hope there is a
jump ahead but they still aren̢۪t there.
.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:34 AM, Simon
Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I believe development is continuing in both OSX and IOS
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The rumour a couple of years ago was
that apple were working to combine both OS so
that they have one operating system on all devices.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hints of this are able to be seen in the two operating systems now,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Calendar, contacts, reminders, etc,
>> >>>> They used to be called things like address book, iCal iChat etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> iCloud drive between devices and multiple platforms,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> keep an eye out things wil be changing
but I do have to admit I believe apple have
somewhat stopped moving forward with enovated designing
>> >>>> and this I believe is simply Steve
Jobbs was the enovator and currently no one
else in apple is showing the ability to think outside the box.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 1:38 PM
>> >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Is development for OS Over?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There will be a new line of iMacs
coming out sometime next year. They delayed
them, cause they need to find a way to put the
touch bar on the keyboard that ships with
it. Personally, nothing exciting has changed
since mavericks, but they foot print is getting
smaller, just glad updates are free, based on
the lack of changes we have seen. From what
the reviews and reports say about the 2016
MacBook Pro, they probably should have waited on those too.
>> >>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal
Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Just a question for you all.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please note I don't test beta's as I
don't have time but have been wondering is
development over for the Mac OS? For the last
six years since I've used the Mac, only small
things have changed. I as you most know, use a
Mac and Mac Mini as I don't have any need for a
portable machine. Apple bring out new lap tops
but they don't bring out a new desk top so am
wondering if Apple are finished with the
computer side of their OS. They have also got
rid of their mac safe wire and their airport
extremes. I am very sad that Apple should want
to do this. In fact access technology has been
standing still since the talking I phone came
out. I wonder where access technology is
going. I want something new to excite me as I
use to get excited over new technology but
these days it's the same old, same old. I
don't think an new I phone will grip a blind
person any more so I'm wondering what is next to make us so crazy.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Kawal.
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