Angle gestures are significantly easier for
anyone who, at one time in the past, had enough
vision to write print / handwriting, no matter
the level of vision loss now. We did some (not
rigorous) experimentation with a few people from
both vision and never had vision backgrounds,
and found that those who had vision were able to master the angle gestures.
Android's very open configurability is fabulous.
almost all gestures can be assigned to different
commands. However, until they open up for
multiple finger gestures, or change from
right-angle gestures to arcs, or in some other
way adjust the gesture input such that totally
congenitally blind people are able to perform
them consistently without training, I cannot use
the devices as a power user, or recommend the
device to power users who fit the above
limitations. Note: if and when Google makes the
necessary adjustments to TalkBack, I will start
using those devices much more regularly.
Kind regards,
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone
> On 17/12/2016, at 02:58, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, this may be off-topic, but I believe
there is a little bit of misinformation here.
>
> It is possible to use granularities without
using the L-shaped gestures. For example, I
have a single flick down set to swipe to next
granularity, and a single flick up set to swipe
to previous granularity. I can go through words
characters lines paragraphs, and even the HTML
elements that are available in the granularity
menu. This is not quite as robust as the iOS
router, but I believe that it is easier in the
short term that learning to use the router.
While I have no problem using the router
myself, many of my customers did at least at
first. Most of them picked it up eventually,
but it definitely took practice and effort,
just as the L-shaped gestures do. After much
practice, I have no problem with the L shape
gestures anymore either, and use them on a regular basis.
>
> Regarding labeling of Graphics, this is
something that should be handled by Developers.
New paradigm philosophy requires that
developers insert Tags and ID's for everything.
It shouldn't be up to a screen reader to assign
labels, however, talk back can label graphics.
I'm not sure if you can do this on iOS, but on
Android you can backup your graphics files, and
you can share your graphicsfiles. Inclusive
android.com has a feature that allows users to
share their Graphics label files. Once a
plethora of graphic files become available for
download, it should take a lot of the pressure
off of developers of popular applications to go
through and fix that which was actually
broken. It should also allow users to get up
and running quicker out of the box.
>
> I still prefer iOS for browsing the internet,
and reading on my Braille display. I definitely
use Android far more often though. I use it for
typing and word processing, checking my email,
managing web host and FTP servers, numerous
forms of entertainment, transportation and
mobility, and all types of communication. All
of the most popular Crossover apps, such as
Microsoft Office, Skype, TuneIn Radio, WhatsApp
Messenger, and so on are just as accessible and
work very similarly on both IOS and Android. I
am a regular user and admirer of both platforms
comma and I would hate to see someone directed
away from a device they think they might like,
just because there's information out there
saying the device isn't fully accessible when it actually is.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>
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> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
>> On December 16, 2016 7:59:41 AM David
Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Android development is interesting.
>>
>> Someone in the US NFB posted a blog post
comparing TalkBack and VoiceOver. The author
loves the fact that Android is very
configurable. The author also comments a fair
amount about many more unlabeled buttons.
>>
>> The author admits that it takes a few
attempts each time to activate the angle
gestures, which call up the global and local
menus. So, the author usually does not use the
global and local menus. Well, not using these
menus is similar to not using the rotor in
VoiceOver. It would make things more difficult,
unless one merely uses basic iOS functionality.
>>
>> Given that I use my iPhone to run my
business, I would not be able to do so with an
Android device (I have two of them). I need the advanced functionality.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 17/12/2016, at 00:48, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we should with hold that opinion
until the next round of phones, the 10th
anniversary version is supposed to be a radical change.
>>>
>>> Then again though, why change something
that works? Performance improvements and such
are great but really the platform is pretty
good. I hear people make these claims but my
point is who’s doing better? Definitely not
Microsoft, windows 10 sucks, Google is doing
interesting things but behind the curve, Linux
is also interesting but pretty specialized for
we engineering and systems folks. Who has a
better option right now? For all the griping
we have on list try using an Android device and
get back to me.:). People are catching up to
Apple so I hope there is a jump ahead but they still aren’t there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:34 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe development is continuing in both OSX and IOS
>>>>
>>>> The rumour a couple of years ago was that
apple were working to combine both OS so that
they have one operating system on all devices.
>>>>
>>>> Hints of this are able to be seen in the two operating systems now,
>>>>
>>>> Calendar, contacts, reminders, etc,
>>>> They used to be called things like address book, iCal iChat etc.
>>>>
>>>> iCloud drive between devices and multiple platforms,
>>>>
>>>> keep an eye out things wil be changing but
I do have to admit I believe apple have
somewhat stopped moving forward with enovated designing
>>>> and this I believe is simply Steve Jobbs
was the enovator and currently no one else in
apple is showing the ability to think outside the box.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>>> Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 1:38 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Is development for OS Over?
>>>>
>>>> There will be a new line of iMacs coming
out sometime next year. They delayed them,
cause they need to find a way to put the touch
bar on the keyboard that ships with
it. Personally, nothing exciting has changed
since mavericks, but they foot print is getting
smaller, just glad updates are free, based on
the lack of changes we have seen. From what
the reviews and reports say about the 2016
MacBook Pro, they probably should have waited on those too.
>>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal
Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a question for you all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note I don't test beta's as I
don't have time but have been wondering is
development over for the Mac OS? For the last
six years since I've used the Mac, only small
things have changed. I as you most know, use a
Mac and Mac Mini as I don't have any need for a
portable machine. Apple bring out new lap tops
but they don't bring out a new desk top so am
wondering if Apple are finished with the
computer side of their OS. They have also got
rid of their mac safe wire and their airport
extremes. I am very sad that Apple should want
to do this. In fact access technology has been
standing still since the talking I phone came
out. I wonder where access technology is
going. I want something new to excite me as I
use to get excited over new technology but
these days it's the same old, same old. I
don't think an new I phone will grip a blind
person any more so I'm wondering what is next to make us so crazy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kawal.
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