To ad to this, I find text by using the item chooser which I find easier to use 
than the web item rotor.  I simply start typing in the name of the link I 
clicked on to obtain the text and then arrow down until I find the text.  I've 
gotten pretty quick at it.  So now that I know how to get to the buttons etc, I 
feel like I have it made.  thanks.


On Dec 17, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> to cycle quickly through edit fields, buttons, pop up boxes, etc, press VO 
> command J and VO command shift J to go backwards.
> 
> hth  
> On Dec 17, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> One thing you have to realize about Webkit is that, when using it, it uses 
>> all your Safari bookmarks, settings, etc. It will look just like Safari, but 
>> some things may work better or worse. You have to click on Webkit and open 
>> it before it will actually use the latest Webkit. What I have done is put 
>> Webkit on the dock. Of course, running Safari might make a difference from 
>> you. It seems to have certain effects on certain configurations. For some 
>> people it works great, and some people think it's a pain. You installed it 
>> the way you're supposed to. Webkit isn't necessary to go on the internet, 
>> though. Webkit might just work better on certain websites such as Ebay, or 
>> it might work worse than the original Safari.
>> 
>> If you're wanting a quick toggle for DOM and Group view, go to the VoiceOver 
>> Utility and hit C for Commanders when in the utilities category table. 
>> VO-right until you hear Keyboard, and VO-Space to select it.
>> 
>> Vo-right again until you find the "Enable Keyboard COmmander" checkbox and 
>> check it, then VO-Right and select which option key you would like to use.
>> Next, you should find, if you VO-Right, a "Keyboard Commander" table. This 
>> is where all your commands will show up.
>> Click the "Add" button.
>> When you click that button, you will end up in an edit field that says 
>> "Blank". Enter the letter you would like to use, and VO-Right once and you 
>> should have focus on a menu button. VO-Space on that button, and you will 
>> enter a menu.
>> Here, you will have different categories for the certain commands available 
>> to you for quick toggling and so-forth. Hit W for the Web submenu, and right 
>> arrow once to enter this menu.
>> Hit up arrow once and you should hear "Toggle Web Navigation DOM or Group". 
>> Hit Enter.
>> 
>> You're all done. Now, you can stop interacting with the table It will 
>> automatically interact with the table when you're done with adding a command.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> As for getting to an edit field quickly, Option-Tab seems to toggle between 
>> certain controls if you have that option set. IF not, do the following:
>> 
>> 1. Open up your browser. This applies to Safari or Webkit.
>> 2. Hit Command-Comma for preferences, and click the "Advanced" button.
>> 3. Check the box that says "Press tab to highlight each item on a web-page".
>> Now you can use Option-Tab to highlight all items except links.
>> 
>> Concerning selecting on web-pages. I've found this to be incredibly 
>> unstable, actually. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The majority 
>> of the time I use it, it never works. So I've never bothered. At least, I 
>> don't anymore.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
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>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:07 PM, blind Treasures wrote:
>> 
>>> Now that I've kind of got the network issue figured out enough to at least
>>> use it, I'm moving onto the internet. LOL 
>>> I downloaded and install the webkit from webkit.org but every time I run it,
>>> the Imac seems to freeze up and I have to reboot. I can use the vo f5 to
>>> unload and reload voice over and all I hear is safari.
>>> This is the steps I took to install it:
>>> 1. Downloaded it 
>>> 2. Moved over to the download folder and open it which created a folder on
>>> the desktop 
>>> 3. Navigated over to the desktop and copied the webkit app to my app folder 
>>> 4. opened it to run it 
>>> 5. Seems to lock up the Mac 
>>> What am I doing wrong here?
>>> Do I need to run it every time or does safari automatically utilize it when
>>> your on the web?
>>> Next question is how can I toggle from DOM view to Group view on a page?
>>> Besides using the rotor, is there a short cut key for going to an edit field
>>> quickly?
>>> Lastly, how do you go about selecting items from your cursor to the bottom
>>> of the page?
>>> Thanks as usual for all the wonderful help this list provides.
>>> 
>>> Tony 
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