I haven't made much use of hot spots, but that's a good idea. I'll give it a try. Cheers, Donna > On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually, though I have not yet installed the update, there is a good chance > you could set a hot spot on the power dialog and then use VO-Command-HotSpot > to check the battery level and stay in your current application. > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > > > >> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >> >> That's exactly what I plan to do for the time being. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:56 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Open the Energy preferences and leave focus on the battery charge item >>> which reads in percentage. Just switch windows now and then to check it. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>> "Lord, Help me become the person >>> my dog thinks I am." --Dawn Ewing >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>> >>> On 12/15/2016 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done. >>>> But no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm >>>> paying attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into >>>> applications, then into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then >>>> bring up the item chooser so that I can see the battery level. That's too >>>> many steps for something so very basic. If Apple is really committed to >>>> accessibility, information such as battery level should be available to me >>>> with the same ease that it is available to a sighted user. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily >>>>> available. Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily >>>>> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available >>>>> through alternate means. We’re talking about adding an Apple script or >>>>> using a monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy >>>>> cursor mode and click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t >>>>> focus correctly or any number of issues you run in to on the windows >>>>> side. I would agree if there was no access to battery level but the fact >>>>> is there still is and not just in one alternate way but many. >>>>> >>>>> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom >>>>> Scientific have broken in their history and they are a dedicated >>>>> accessibility company. I rest my case. >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>> >>>>>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would >>>>>> be a matter of principle. Having access to battery information is for >>>>>> me a non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company >>>>>> thinks that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK >>>>>> with them. This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was >>>>>> shown at the last Apple event where they touted their commitment to >>>>>> accessibility. So, I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would >>>>>> feel that this decision by Apple flies in the face of their own stated >>>>>> values, and leaves me with a computer I'm not comfortable trusting when >>>>>> i don't have access to AC. >>>>>> >>>>>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be moot >>>>>> point. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com >>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something >>>>>>> visible to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user. Scott, >>>>>>> that's pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3. All they really >>>>>>> need to do is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the >>>>>>> same for when the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery. >>>>>>> It does announce things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but >>>>>>> it's absent when on battery power. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because >>>>>>> of this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go >>>>>>> that direction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being >>>>>>> done in that area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage >>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple >>>>>>>> accessibility re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do >>>>>>>> the same. If there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there >>>>>>>> also needs to be an equivalent for us. I'm sorry, but the notion that >>>>>>>> anyone would rely on a laptop--which theoretically is intended for >>>>>>>> computing on the go--without providing them good access to battery >>>>>>>> information is ridiculous. Yes, I know. You can go into Activity >>>>>>>> Monitor. But that is a fairly time consuming process. And yes, you >>>>>>>> can ask Siri. But that's hardly convenient or appropriate if you're >>>>>>>> in the middle of a meeting, a class, etc. I had been planning to >>>>>>>> purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, but right now, I'm thinking I >>>>>>>> may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and purchase a PC instead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable. 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