You don’t have to take all that many steps, you can just leave the monitor on the doc which honestly is no more key strokes than vo m twice and right to the reading area past WiFi. That’s just not a valid criticism. There’s to many easy ways to hot key that sort of thing or at least bring it in to a very similar number of keystrokes.
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, I'll never defend all the crazy things FS has done. But > no, if I'm in a meeting or some other public environment where I'm paying > attention to other things, I don't want to have to go into applications, then > into utilities, then Open the Activity Monitor, then bring up the item > chooser so that I can see the battery level. That's too many steps for > something so very basic. If Apple is really committed to accessibility, > information such as battery level should be available to me with the same > ease that it is available to a sighted user. > > Cheers, > Donna >> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have to say I think that’s crazy. It’s not like the data isn’t easily >> available. Sure it’s a step backwards, no disagreement there but easily >> fixed, I’m sure it will be addressed and the data is still available through >> alternate means. We’re talking about adding an Apple script or using a >> monitoring tool here not having to work around in some crazy cursor mode and >> click with a mouse because the keyboard commands don’t focus correctly or >> any number of issues you run in to on the windows side. I would agree if >> there was no access to battery level but the fact is there still is and not >> just in one alternate way but many. >> >> Just stop and think for a half second of all the things Freedom Scientific >> have broken in their history and they are a dedicated accessibility company. >> I rest my case. >> >>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tim, >>> >>> I certainly wouldn't relish going back to Windows, but for me it would be a >>> matter of principle. Having access to battery information is for me a >>> non-negotiable component of portable computing, and if a company thinks >>> that blind users should be OK living without that, I'm not OK with them. >>> This is all the more true in the wake of that video that was shown at the >>> last Apple event where they touted their commitment to accessibility. So, >>> I wouldn't want to go back to Windows, but I would feel that this decision >>> by Apple flies in the face of their own stated values, and leaves me with a >>> computer I'm not comfortable trusting when i don't have access to AC. >>> >>> At any rate, hopefully this will be fixed soon, and so will be moot point. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I agree with Donna that it is a step backwards to have something visible >>>> to the sighted user, but not present to the VO user. Scott, that's >>>> pleasing if they're working on it in 10.12.3. All they really need to do >>>> is make the indicator announce/display things exactly the same for when >>>> the machine is using the power adaptor or the battery. It does announce >>>> things just fine in 10.12.2 if you're plugged in, but it's absent when on >>>> battery power. >>>> >>>> I wouldn't go quite so far as to purchase a Windows laptop just because of >>>> this, as there's far too many advantages to my Mac experience to go that >>>> direction. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:45, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually strike that, it’s not quite but it looks like work is being done >>>> in that area. >>>> >>>> Stay tuned it’s at least reporting the charging state but no percentage >>>> yet. >>>> >>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I just wanted to write to say that I have written to Apple accessibility >>>>> re the battery issue, and I would encourage others to do the same. If >>>>> there is an icon that sighted users can view, then there also needs to be >>>>> an equivalent for us. I'm sorry, but the notion that anyone would rely >>>>> on a laptop--which theoretically is intended for computing on the >>>>> go--without providing them good access to battery information is >>>>> ridiculous. Yes, I know. You can go into Activity Monitor. But that is >>>>> a fairly time consuming process. And yes, you can ask Siri. But that's >>>>> hardly convenient or appropriate if you're in the middle of a meeting, a >>>>> class, etc. I had been planning to purchase one of the new MacBook Pros, >>>>> but right now, I'm thinking I may follow Jonathan Mosen's lead and >>>>> purchase a PC instead. >>>>> >>>>> To my thinking this is absolutely unacceptable. 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