Hi Janina, Interesting? do you have a link to this study? While growing up in Pittsburgh PA I personally experienced voting fraud. In fact theres still a empty "ballot box" sitting in my "democratic sister's garage at her house! BTW they use to use paper ballots and put them into a metal box with handles on the sides and transport them to down town Pittsburgh to be counted after the poles closed. The Rub is in pittsburgh which was a heavily "democrat" city some times the ballot box never made it down town if it was coming from a Republican district! My Grand mother worked for a Democratic city commissioner and my mother worked a voting pole every election, in the south hills of Pittsburgh. I could send you a picture of the box at my sisters garage but that wouldn't be of any benefit to the list! ;) BTW I'm a independent just to set that straight! So Scott is correct! Talk soon Chuck
On Nov 8, 2016, at 2:50 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote: > Quick comment on dead people voting ... > > Tain't so. The simple fact is that nobody goes through voter rolls to > remove names when someone dies. There's no such job in government. The > simple fact that a dead person's name remains on a voter roll doesn't > mean someone actually manages to vote by impersonating them. > > Yes, people have tried, and sometimes succeeded, but very rarely. The > count is in the low hundreds out of over a billion votes (that's with a > b as in boy) over multiple elections according to a recent study. > > Scott Granados writes: >> Kawal, so much for trying to keep this apolitical. That aside, the sad fact >> is there is a real case to be made for the election being fixed. >> >> 1. There are over 24 million registered voters who shouldn’t be. These are >> either people who are not citizens, people who are dead, people who are >> registered in more than one location and so forth. >> >> Next, there have already been cases of people’s votes being misrecorded on >> file. In Texas for example, there have been cases of trump votes being >> changed to Clinton votes by the software. >> >> Now to be fair and balanced, on the republican side, there have been >> cases made for voter suppression especially of the African American vote. >> >> Some examples of presidents who were elected via fraud include John F. >> Kennedy and Lindon Johnson. The corruption in Chicago famously assisted JFK >> in his election bid. LBJ also benefited from fraud in Texas. So, there’s >> an actual verifiable history of this in the country. >> >> We also have video tape of democratic operatives this year advising the >> Clinton folks how to circumvent the voter registration system and how to bus >> people in to areas with out being detected. >> >> Now, all that being said there’s some good news in this front as well. More >> people are watching than ever before. There are 800 government operatives >> fanning out across the country to verify the integrity of the election. On >> top of this there are thousands of volunteers on both sides and individual >> themselves are being more vigilant in insuring their votes are recorded >> correctly. So in the end I think this will not be a problem. >> >> I can tell Kawal though that you need to really broaden your media sources. >> The idea of voter fraud is not a conspiracy theory or off balance, there’s a >> long history of it including in recent times. Do I need to remind you about >> the 2000 election? You may not be familiar but there were real shenanigans >> during that election. I’m not sure how much play that got in the UK but >> whole blocks of ballots turned up uncounted and some even washed up on >> shore.;) So neither party has the monopoly on truth or honesty. Most of >> the claims that you’ve made about Trump though are factually untrue which >> leads me to think you’re getting a lot of that government spoon fed BBC >> media which is in collusion with the media in this country. Likewise >> there's probably a lot about Hilary that hasn’t made it your way do to the >> same filtering. Unfortunately, the days of Walter Cronkite and a certain >> level of impartial journalism are dead. Fox news is as guilty of slanting >> their side of the story as is the BBC and big 3 American TV networks, we >> won’t even discuss the papers. It’s very difficult to get reliable news and >> important now more than ever to use multiple sources with diverse viewpoints >> and then interpolate the truth from diverse sources. >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> If trump does not get his way he'll say the election was rigged and if he >>> does not accept the vote, where then for America? >>>> On 8 Nov 2016, at 15:34, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Scott, >>>> I agree! >>>> extra size your rite to Vote! >>>> Many people died to keep us free! >>>> Yes my Dad shed his "blood" fighting the socialist in germany to assure us >>>> this basic freedom here in the USA >>>> GOD Bless the USA! :) >>>> the land of the free and the home of the brave! >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> >>>>> For our friends in the US, >>>>> Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it that way. Get >>>>> out there and vote today, do your civic duty regardless of your party / >>>>> candidate / beliefs just get out and have your voice heard if you haven’t >>>>> already. >>>>> Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling place, Lyft >>>>> has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google also has the >>>>> means to arrange a ride for you and provide some credits to get to your >>>>> closest polls. the parties are offering rides and volunteer services as >>>>> well. >>>>> Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available today to >>>>> voters. 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