I think her Galaxy is set to LTE but truth to tell, I rather doubt she’s even gone to that part of her settings. Now, my brother-in-law, (who has an iPHone6S+ has the same thing happen. He has AT&T and I don’t know without asking him what his settings are. I suspect that I’m just about the only one in my family who goes deep in to the settings like what we do. Odd don’t yuh think: I mean about the issue I seem to be having.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! > On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wow, that’s a weird one Ray. > > Now let me ask you’re definitely attached to LTE for your calling right or > are you using WiFi calling? Shouldn’t matter but it might. > > If your sister calls you the call sets up correctly and you get HD audio, do > you happen to know what her LTE settings are and are we talking iPhones or is > her’s a different brand? > > Nothing’s jumping out at me, it should work but I’m glad you’ve checked the > obvious stuff. A little more information about her phone may help. > > Thanks > > > >> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >> >> Here’s the weird thing about that. ON my iPHone7+, both Voice and Data LTE >> are turned on. Verizon tells me that HD voice is in fact turned on on my >> account. Now, when my sister calls, her voice comes over as HD audio but >> when I call her, it does not. Any ideas? >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in >> >> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, >> >> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless >> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! >> >>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that >>> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active. This should be >>> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice >>> and LTE data, for best results enable both. Also, make sure that you have >>> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account. Call customer >>> service to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option. Once enabled you >>> should be able to both place and receive HD calls. >>> >>> Hope that helps >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT&T.) >>>> I hear her voice as an HD call: but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon >>>> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice. Could that maybe be >>>> solved via the method you described? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>> built-in >>>> >>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, >>>> >>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless >>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! >>>> >>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re >>>>> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the >>>>> WiFi network. >>>>> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text >>>>> messages, same with Sprint. In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled >>>>> LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel >>>>> for sending traditional carrier based text messages. Things like >>>>> iMessage will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel >>>>> with the following exceptions. If you’re not on a voice call and the >>>>> carrier is configured to you may have low speed data still available even >>>>> with the data option set. This should prevent you from using a lot of >>>>> data though because it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to >>>>> send things like a voice call or regular text messages. This is the >>>>> reason for example when using the 1X channel traditionally you could use >>>>> only 2 lines at a time or for example 3 way calling and on AT&T you could >>>>> have more calls in parallel. >>>>> Now on AT&T what’s your saying is closer to the truth. There was no >>>>> separate voice channel. Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with >>>>> everything else. This is why AT&T and T-Mobile for years offered >>>>> browsing and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not. >>>>> Here you’ll use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well >>>>> so if you disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier >>>>> based text messages. >>>>> There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling >>>>> with out enabling data. You can go in to the settings and enable LTE >>>>> voice, disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher >>>>> bandwidth calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell >>>>> data will disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on >>>>> the two CDMA based carriers. You need to be mindful though of how the >>>>> networks are configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on >>>>> Verizon and Sprint who knows. At that point you’ll want to insure that >>>>> your data on LTE is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will >>>>> complete. >>>>> >>>>> Hope that helps >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely >>>>>> anytime. In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was >>>>>> with AT&T, with my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive >>>>>> phone calls with cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of >>>>>> what you said about not being able to receive phone calls is not >>>>>> technically true. As for Wi-Fi assist, you want to make sure that that >>>>>> is turned off, The reason why is it will use data, if your signal is >>>>>> weak. So when list this individual, once tube use their data I would >>>>>> leave that completely turned off otherwise, they we'll realize they’ll >>>>>> running to situations like what I did whenever I was with AT&T so what >>>>>> happen, was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch me over to >>>>>> LTE. And I would go to stream, and then I will get text message alerts >>>>>> from AT&T saying and I was either half or 75% over my data limit or at >>>>>> used 75%. But, I know longer have to worry about that. As I've already >>>>>> done make the switch to a different carrier. >>>>>> Joseph Hudson >>>>>> Group administrator for the following >>>>>> groups >>>>>> chat >>>>>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org >>>>>> <http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org> >>>>>> blind apples >>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> blind square GPS >>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> blind handyman >>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> iPad help for the blind >>>>>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind >>>>>> <https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind> >>>>>> >>>>>> Email >>>>>> jhud7...@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com> >>>>>> I device support >>>>>> Telephone >>>>>> 2543007667 >>>>>> Skype >>>>>> joseph.hudson89 >>>>>> facebook >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >>>>>> Twitter >>>>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >>>>>> >>>>>> FaceTime/iMessage >>>>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joseph, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When yu have a free moment to do so, absolutely no hard feelings, but >>>>>>> can you try that msg again? Siri totally butchered what you were trying >>>>>>> to say. LOL! >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>>>>> Training Instructor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com> >>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Joseph Hudson <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:56 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris, you were explain this the correct way. Yes I suggest leave all >>>>>>>> the Wi-Fi cyst stuff alone, and less it is turned on. Reason why say >>>>>>>> and with it is turned on, is because if the Wi-Fi signal is weak, it >>>>>>>> will use that data now, and referencing the whole data thing, the only >>>>>>>> thing that you can't receive, if selling your data is turned off that >>>>>>>> you might wish to receive his text messages at least that's the way it >>>>>>>> was with AT&T. Now I'm not sure what Verizon but there's no doubt in >>>>>>>> my mind, that is so your data is turned off, date they won't do you >>>>>>>> want to get their phone calls and I got mine whenever I was AT&T >>>>>>>> customer and I did this on my 5S. If they want a second opinion, I can >>>>>>>> definitely call me get one. I choose not to have a long-range on IOS >>>>>>>> via email. As you, and I know, that I do my best at explaining things >>>>>>>> via voice. As you called me, and got in my opinion before then it >>>>>>>> would be the best thing for them to do. Especially, if they're warning >>>>>>>> a very valuable second opinion that will be just as good as yours >>>>>>>> Joseph Hudson >>>>>>>> Group administrator for the following >>>>>>>> groups >>>>>>>> chat >>>>>>>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org >>>>>>>> <http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org> >>>>>>>> blind apples >>>>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> blind square GPS >>>>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> blind handyman >>>>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> iPad help for the blind >>>>>>>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind >>>>>>>> <https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email >>>>>>>> jhud7...@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> I device support >>>>>>>> Telephone >>>>>>>> 2543007667 >>>>>>>> Skype >>>>>>>> joseph.hudson89 >>>>>>>> facebook >>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404> >>>>>>>> Twitter >>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FaceTime/iMessage >>>>>>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Guys, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a >>>>>>>>> bit agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help >>>>>>>>> me out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which >>>>>>>>> member it is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not >>>>>>>>> even going to reveal their gender. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are >>>>>>>>> incredibly new to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the >>>>>>>>> smart phone world in general. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like >>>>>>>>> Apple Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those >>>>>>>>> things are turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is >>>>>>>>> allowed to be used with the apps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I told them that if they either turn off any of those apps, or for >>>>>>>>> that mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off >>>>>>>>> completely, that's not a very wise idea in most cases. I tried >>>>>>>>> explaining that when cellular is off, then nothing will work if >>>>>>>>> they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd >>>>>>>>> have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a wifi >>>>>>>>> network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one >>>>>>>>> of the two. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all >>>>>>>>> they're doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, >>>>>>>>> etc. is, they're not disabling the apps from currently! using data. >>>>>>>>> All they're doing is disabling the apps so they never! will use >>>>>>>>> cellular. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any >>>>>>>>> time they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use >>>>>>>>> Apple Music, as they've disabled it from being able to be used with >>>>>>>>> Cellular. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be >>>>>>>>> able to receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a >>>>>>>>> wifi network, as they do have wifi calling enabled. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work >>>>>>>>> regardless, but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their >>>>>>>>> internet would go kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing >>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, >>>>>>>>> that doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data >>>>>>>>> right then and there. The only time that happens is if they're not on >>>>>>>>> a wifi network, at which point, it falls back to their LTE cellular >>>>>>>>> data. As long as they are on a wifi network, it would not use their >>>>>>>>> 6GB data plan. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and >>>>>>>>> they definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular >>>>>>>>> basis, so if you respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain >>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to >>>>>>>>> always leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on >>>>>>>>> wifi or not. I find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would >>>>>>>>> you want your cellular to always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places >>>>>>>>> where yes, you may want it off, but not 100% of the time. Come on! >>>>>>>>> Really? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and >>>>>>>>> honestly, it doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them >>>>>>>>> this, but I will leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and >>>>>>>>> what it does? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi >>>>>>>>> assist is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, as I know what's >>>>>>>>> probably gonna happen. They're gonna start turning stuff on/off then >>>>>>>>> will dm me on Twitter and be like, Chris, why is X, y, and Z not >>>>>>>>> working? Then, I'm gonna be lost, as I don't know what they shut on >>>>>>>>> and off. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I keep telling them, if it isn't broken, don't try fixing it, but, >>>>>>>>> they wanna obviously be adventurous, which is fine, to a point, but >>>>>>>>> why ask me what something does, if you're only then gonna turn around >>>>>>>>> and say, well, not according to what x person/persons tell/tells me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I mean, Gawod! Why're you asking me my opinion if you're then gonna >>>>>>>>> say, not true from what I hear. They tell me they believe me, but, if >>>>>>>>> they do, then why do they contradict every blessid thing I say? I >>>>>>>>> don't clame to know everything, no, and I have no issues with getting >>>>>>>>> 2nd opinions, but that's really rude when asked for help, I provide, >>>>>>>>> then you turn around in my face and say well, that's not true >>>>>>>>> according to whoever intity. If you think what I'm saying isn't gonna >>>>>>>>> be true, then why're you asking me to start with! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, rant over. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone know how better to explain this screen, and maybe why >>>>>>>>> ideally, you'd want to leave cellular on? Does anyone know further >>>>>>>>> how to convince this person that as long as they're on a wifi >>>>>>>>> network, that they're not eating up their 6GB data? I'm! obviously >>>>>>>>> not gonna convince them, and frankly, I'm tired of trying to do so, >>>>>>>>> with all due respect to them. 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