Microsoft do a full version of windows 8 8.1 and 10 on their Surface range of devices.
That is the Surface, surface pro and newer Surface books. MS wished to put out an operating system that was the same on all platforms so what you get in the surface is the same as the desktop in your office running windows or the surface book etc. Apple however have the OSX or now with sierra Macc OS IOS for phone ipad and iPod and also watch OS and TV OS, Although they are all very similar, Mac OS and IOS for the iPad or iPhone are different Apple are slowly working to combine MAC OS and IOS into the same product so that one OS can be used on all devices, That doesn’t mean that they will do away with notebooks in favour of tablets but that the OS on either is the same My Surface Pro 3 has the same windows 10 OS installed as my bootcamp installation on my mac book air. Vbut ones a tablet and ones a notebook. The world is changing people need to get use to that, fair of change will kill you if yor not willing to take it on. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 3:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 I know laptop sales aren't exactly knocking it out of the park, but aren't a tablet sales also rather down? Maybe these convertibles are the answer. I don't know. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi there, so I think the idea that laptops will be replaced with tablets isn’t so wild to be fair. The number of tablets sold has been replacing laptop sales for a while now. I think most sited users really just want something that’s always on and looks a lot like their phones but easier to use in front of the TV. On another list there was some really interesting stuff posted about the second screen movement and second screen work with the W3C working group. I have a feeling we’re seeing the end of laptops and there will come a time that they are gone especially as tablets get more horse power and an optional keyboard will probably solve the interface issues associated with typing long documents on tablets. As for surface verses Apple, Apple all the way. I was on a flight not that long ago and all the laptops were apple. I was very surprised. Everybody working on the flight had an apple in front of them. Wasn’t tat long time ago that there was a whole mix of windows devices but it’s interesting how Apple is gaining market share. On Oct 29, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote: Maybe macOS looks and feels more like iOS now than it did in the past, but it is still distinctly macOS. The touch bar supporting your argument? Not likely. That is like saying having a glass track pad supports the argument that the laptop is going to be replaced by a tablet, an absurd thought. Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last time you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? And, no, changing the volume does not count. If you have any site, you can very easily change the volume in the top right of your screen by dragging the slider. Not very hard using Voiceover either. The last time I remember using the function keys was to turn voiceover on on a Mac I had to use at a friend's. Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent from my Macbook Pro Contact: Phone: Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181<tel://+27605259181> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013<calto://+27781205013> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> On 29 Oct 2016, at 7:29 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com<mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote: Apple engineers are definitely not stupid. Question, why are apple computers steadily moving toward an iOS look and feel? The Touch bar is possibly evidence for my argument. We no longer have to press function keys. Randy Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote: Okay, that is pushing things a bit far. Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely cannot be classified as stupid. Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on your lap? Seriously? If I am wrong, I would be very surprised. Warm regards, Brandt Steenkamp Sent from my Macbook Pro Contact: Phone: Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181<tel://+27605259181> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013<calto://+27781205013> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com<mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote: I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete. Randy On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote: Chris, The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the iPhone now, So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on. Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how that goes for us. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com> Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Foret jr<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press. From the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID. IN other words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID. Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner. See the comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago. This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick turn around on this question. Begin forwarded message: From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126 Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT To: scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> Hello, Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the Touch ID button. 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