Michael, again very astute observations.

Apple can not crack their own cryptography from what I understand.  It uses 
some very strong algorithms that are based on key pairs.  When you put in your 
fingerprint and pin you seed a process that then encrypts your phone and it 
would take more computing power than exists on the planet more time than the 
universe has existed to crack that cypher with out the keys.  This is always a 
moving target of course as power improves but it is very difficult to crack 
cyphers this complex.  We could be talking about 2048 or more bit keys to give 
you an idea.
        What I find interesting though is the second half of your response 
where you thought most of the cyphers had been cracked.  I thought so to and 
I’m in the business.  While I know some of the modern cyphers are very strong I 
had assumed our friends in the NSA had a solution to this.  My guess is they do 
but it’s not available to the government as a whole because it’s to classified. 
 Rumor has it that the NSA is working with quantum computing among other 
technologies to massively improve their abilities but much like the British in 
world war II and their enigma machine they had to allow London to be bombed 
even though they knew the attack was coming as to not let it be known they had 
cracked the german codes.  I suspect something similar is at work here.  They 
in certain circles have mechanisms but they don’t want to tip their hand 
publicly.   I also suspect it takes highly exotic systems that just aren’t 
widely available.  That being said in this case I don’t believe there is any 
non classified means to crack the cryptography that Apple and Google and others 
use.

How’s that?

Thank you
Scott

> On Feb 18, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe I’m confused.
> I thought the issue what that law enforcement couldn't hack the password to 
> this guy's phone, thus they can't get to the data.
> Is Apple's incryption truly uncrackable, that is, if Apple could remove the 
> data storage from the unit, can they not decrypt their own encryption? I 
> guess I just assumed most encryption schemes used by operating systems had 
> already been hacked by someone.  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> I agree with you on the first I think this topic is equally important to any 
> citizens or anyone who does business or transacts with in the US.  So I agree 
> I think it’s important for blind users but in the same way it’s important for 
> left handed users or PC users.:)
> 
> Secondly, you ask a good question but think it through with me.  Once you 
> introduce a mechanism to break through security you make an opening available 
> to be exploited.  So let’s say Apple develops some magical way to crack their 
> cyphers, that method now exists for the bad guys.  Once it exists you can’t 
> put it back in the box.  So what Apple doesn’t want to do is compromise 
> everyones security just to examine the contents of a single phone.
> 
> Does that make sense I hope I explained that well.
> 
> Good question btw.
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Two questions:
>> 1. Why is this topic any more important for blind users than for any other? 
>> That supposition is non-sensical to me.
>> 
>> 2. Since this topic is apparently on-topic, why couldn't Apple design some 
>> sort of tool whereby law enforcement could send a specific device to Apple, 
>> who could then take the device apart, and read/decrypt the data, much as one 
>> might now do through the removal of a hard rive from a laptop?
>> Asked another way, could something be developed which isn't part of the 
>> operating system, but which could helplaw enforcement perform their task?
>> For what it's worth, I think Tim is doing absolutely the right thing. A 
>> couple bad Americans shouldn't disrupt the majority of us who deserve 
>> incryption and who would not misuse it.
>> I ask the above purely as hypotheticles.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:40 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable 
>> search
>> 
>>   Not to encourage more heavy traffic but this IS an important issue 
>> especially for blind users.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 2/18/2016 9:30 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
>>> I have a very important comment:
>>> This topic should be off topic for this list, which deals with how blind 
>>> people interact with iPhones. I am not a moderator, but I hope I am right 
>>> about this.
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wonder if anyone else is following Tim Cook’s position against being 
>>>> forced to cripple the security on iPhones.  Anyone have any comments?
>>>> 
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