Well, the way I see it is that ow is the peel the Apple list. We can always 
move there. 

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> On Sep 16, 2015, at 7:01 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Join the club, I'd hate to leave his list, but if that's what it takes for us 
> to be able to discuss these products more freely then so be it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Shawn, I second every sentiment in your message.  Like you, I'm going to 
>> wait and see how things settle out before leaving, but yes, if this list 
>> only allows discussion of the Mac, I will be leaving as well.  Doing that 
>> would make me very sad, I would miss all of you!  As I've written before, 
>> this has been one of the best lists I've ever been on.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm gonna wait until Cara and Mark make their final judgements. I posted my 
>>> opinions in another thread so I won't post them again, but I will say that 
>>> if this list develops the strict rule that we can only talk about the Mac, 
>>> then sorry to say, I'll be doing the same as others have and or will do and 
>>> take my talents elsewhere. I'm subscribed to three other lists that let 
>>> people talk about Mac and iPhone in one list, one list, Peel The Apple, has 
>>> an off topic weekend where people can talk about anything, Windows, 
>>> Android, even Jaws. The other two are Joseph Hudson's Blind Apples list and 
>>> John P's Mac For The Blind list. So as you can see I have a lot of 
>>> resources at my disposal. One more thing, the sad day will be when I do 
>>> unsubscribe because I share Kawal's sentiments in that I've met a ton of 
>>> awesome people and I even have some of you on Skype and social media. So it 
>>> will be sad if I do unsubscribe because these past 5 years with you guys 
>>> were awesome and to those of you that don't have me on Skype or social 
>>> media, I'll miss you a lot.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I 
>>>> joined 10 years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful 
>>>> elsewhere.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
>>>> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
>>>> 
>>>> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
>>>> idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
>>>> software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad 
>>>> still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
>>>> entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then 
>>>> stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know 
>>>> the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  
>>>> As several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple 
>>>> product line and also presented was this list predates any others and as 
>>>> such previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I 
>>>> will of course comply by leaving the list as I have no interest in 
>>>> subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was satisfying.  
>>>> Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce something that doesn’t 
>>>> make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken up?
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>>>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>>>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>>>>> To: <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Scott,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>>>>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
>>>>> list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is bogus.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  
>>>>> Non apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>>>>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>>>>> product.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>>>>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>>>>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
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