I find it rather interesting that only a few days ago, people were complaining 
that this list was not being moderated. Now that Marcus volunteer to do this, 
people are up in arms. It's a thankless job but I can't imagine why anybody 
would ever want to do this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> May be this list has become over moderated if there is such a word.  I 
> remember, once we were not permitted to discuss Windows and that was a one 
> day wonder.  Will this be?
> On 15 Sep 2015, at 21:07, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, I guess that means that in Mark's official judgment any discussion of iOS 
> TV OS or Apple Watch is forbidden, hmmmm!
> Just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
>> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
>> 
>> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any idiot 
>> knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software as 
>> well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still 
>> another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire 
>> ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle 
>> conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the 
>> VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As 
>> several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple product 
>> line and also presented was this list predates any others and as such 
>> previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I will of 
>> course comply by leaving the list as I have no interest in subscribing to 
>> yet more lists and I hope his power trip was satisfying.  Mark, your users 
>> don’t want this so why enforce something that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t 
>> meet the needs of the many users who have spoken up?
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>>> To: <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>> 
>>> Hello Scott,
>>> 
>>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>>> 
>>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
>>> list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>>> 
>>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> This is bogus.
>>> 
>>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  Non 
>>> apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>>> product.
>>> 
>>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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