Well said, CJ
> On Aug 7, 2015, at 7:09 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Chris, > Most of us have already reached our conclusions with regard to you. you are > pathetically out of place on the list. We do not have a moderator but if we > did you would have been reduced quite a while back. If this list doesn't > achieve some sort of of consistency soon, it will fall apart or cease to be > a viable resource for Mac users. And Chris, you will be the main reason why. > Stop to think about how you are destroying a valuable resource and put some > sort of throttle on yourself. The shoeless wonder is not the problem and > neither is Tyler or anyone else who occasionally expresses a little opinion. > Get some psychological help and stop tormenting us. I'm reaching my limit and > I'm hard to put off. Get the message and either go away or tone it down. If > there is actually a moderator behind the curtain somewhere, feel free to > remove me if you don't like what I say. > > > > > > On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com > <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Actually, Ray, I don't know what to think of tylor. One minute, he gripes at > all of us, but then in another one of his posts, he says whether we like it > or agree or not, NDA's NDA. If Apple says you can't discuss it, then you > can't. I just wish he'd make up his mind which way he flies, once and for > all. > > Chris. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ray Foret Jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> >> To: Mac Visionaries List <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 6:30 AM >> Subject: Re: OS X beta. >> >> Well, Chris, don't let Tylor's remark to me bother yuh. It's just Tylor >> being Tylor and trying to cope with the fact that he can't or won't accept >> Apple's nice strict NDA. People like that are why there's a delete key. >> Mine's gotten a fair amount of use recently. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray >> >> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user! >> >> Sent from my Mac, >> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in >> >>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Tylor, was that really necessary? >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >>> <ty...@tysdomain.com <mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com>> >>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: OS X beta. >>> >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Did you have to check a "constantly barefooted" box on the NDA >>> agreement as well? >>> On 8/6/2015 6:04 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>> Got news for y'all. public beta or not, it cannot be discussed. >>>> That's Apple's policy. Just deal with it. IF you really want to >>>> know, sign up for their public beta program and find out. Y'all >>>> are really something else. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>> >>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user! >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>> blind built-in >>>> >>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Sunshine <sunsh...@abe.midco.net >>>>> <mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net> >>>>> <mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net <mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree with the person that stated a public beta is a public >>>>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta >>>>> of osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as >>>>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to >>>>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta >>>>> means no nda. >>>>> >>>>> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>>>> Diddo. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joe Quinn >>>>>> <mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com <mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com>> *To:* >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta. >>>>>> >>>>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact >>>>>> question, so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my >>>>>> original reply below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say >>>>>> different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e >>>>>> Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact >>>>>> them about it. :( it may not make sense, but that's the way it >>>>>> is. NDA, and all that. in spite of it being public, ya still >>>>>> can't talk about it publically. now if something's released >>>>>> about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think >>>>>> that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for >>>>>> instance cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be >>>>>> in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but >>>>>> they did. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler >>>>>> <<mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>>kriegle...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you >>>>>>> make something available to everybody and then swear >>>>>>> everybody to secrecy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn >>>>>>> <<mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com>>jdawg1...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you >>>>>>>> no longer "need" to have a developer account. Thus making >>>>>>>> it a "public" beta. NDA still applies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler >>>>>>>> <<mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>>kriegle...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Okay, a question here. If this is a public beta, then >>>>>>>>> why can’t questions be asked? If it’s as it was before >>>>>>>>> and it wasn’t public, then I could understand. But if >>>>>>>>> Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would >>>>>>>>> think this is open for discussion. Now, if Im confusing >>>>>>>>> the public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the >>>>>>>>> question. Thanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Les >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>>clgillan...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with >>>>>>>>>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics. He >>>>>>>>>> just wanted a general yes, or no. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, >>>>>>>>>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one >>>>>>>>>> may think is unstable, someone else may not really be >>>>>>>>>> as concerned about. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to >>>>>>>>>> install, for what it's worth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're >>>>>>>>>> to the point of being debilitating. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Sadam Ahmed >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com>> *To:* >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there >>>>>>>>>>> are a couple of issues. That would suffice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Diploma of International Business candidate >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> RMIT University >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Blog: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com <http://www.sadamahmed.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.sadamahmed.com/ <http://www.sadamahmed.com/>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent using OS X Mail >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr >>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With respect, I disagree. You did ask for >>>>>>>>>>>> something to specific to discuss with you either >>>>>>>>>>>> privately or otherwise. To ask how stable a beta OS >>>>>>>>>>>> is something that touches on a degree of specifity >>>>>>>>>>>> which is not something I for one am willing to go >>>>>>>>>>>> in to. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple TV user! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full >>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility for the blind built-in >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com>>sadam.li...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not asking for specifics. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on >>>>>>>>>>>>> my Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was quite broad. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't think it breaks NDA. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss beta findings here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Apple TV user! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility for the blind built-in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com>>sadam.li...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to install the current beta and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am wondering how stable the current release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you would like to make contact off the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list regarding this feel free to reach out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. 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