Hi Alex, You seem to miss the point. I am an apple buyer since its early days. Marketing was always there, and its the reason why I have stuck to it. But it has evolved to forget that it’s supposed to not follow the microsoft route, with products loosing focus and having that right balance between useability, features and experience. To say the least, adding another thing to charge which itself costs more than the phone to me is ridiculous. If its not to you, then maybe I’m missing something you know better than me, but to this point, you don’t have one.
Second, I’m recommending to wait for the next installment. And I’m also here to give my experience of how it felt. And it felt like a very cheesy marketing stunt, the waiting period, the myth and hype behind, etc. I won’t be surprised to know that a lot of people will feel a bit ripped off with this price tag and the features it has. if you want to complicate your life with more gadgets that add a few more things to your life, suit yourself my friend. But My point about always having my phone on plugs when I walk out sticks. And therefore it makes no sense to buy a wrist watch, especially one that needs taking on and off, that can’t take a shower, that you need to be careful with, when your phone’s in the pocket and does 10 times more than the watch. Like I said, if it was slick and discreet, not flashy as it has been made this time around, maybe my perspective would be different. Finally, if you’re sold by something with marketing alone, I feel sorry for you mate. But I’d rather be pessimistic about anything anyone is trying to sell me. Cheers for now Yuma Antoine Decaux "Light has no value without darkness" Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 > On 11/04/2015, at 4:34 am, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > > I'm hearing that part of your problem with this device is that Apple has > marketed it and drummed up interest? What kind of tech manufacturer wouldn't > do this? To sell things, which is the goal of any company like Apple, you > have to make people want what you have. If your product can't stand up, it > won't sell and the company will figure something else out, and if it can, you > have a hit. Saying that Apple has made people want this Watch is like saying > that a restaurant makes you want their food. > > The price is high, yes, but that's Apple. Why do people pay extra for > iPhones, iPads Airport stations, or Macs? Because the hardware is solid, the > customer service is second to none, and many people have brand loyalty on top > of that. This is no different. If you don't want to pay the price for an > iPhone, you can find an Android phone that has most of the same features but > isn't as expensive, yet may not last as long or be as versatile. Similarly, > if you don't want an Apple Watch, there's the Gear Watch, the Peble, and > others to choose from, though none are accessible. Yes, there's one > smartwatch with basic TTS built in, but it can't compare to VoiceOver at the > moment. > > I have no idea how this Watch will do, and I'm among those choosing to wait > until the next generation. All I'm saying is that you can't fault Apple for > doing what they do--marketing their products and charging their usual prices. >> On Apr 10, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jamy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi All, points taken but they don’t sell me on it. The price is just >> criminal. >> >> I would rather have something that altogether gets rid of the screen and is >> used as a notification/orientation/sensor device that can send relevant >> information to the iphone. Case of having bluetooth earbuds or earphones is >> adding yet another device to charge. I’m basing all of my opinions on >> elegance not only of material choice but also elegance in lifestyle. Keeping >> a tab on your device charges is not elegance, it’s accounting. >> >> I agree that there can be interesting applications with health and motion >> but again, this could be placed as a very nice little slab necklace type >> thing, like maori necklaces say, getting rid of energy sucking features such >> as touch screens and the yada yada on the current incarnation of the watch. >> Sometimes it makes no sense to cram a technology taht seems to be useful for >> one thing and paste it all over the place. In fact, I’m working on arduino >> prototypes attaching all sorts of sensors to make such a device, obviously >> its bulkier than apple stuff for now, but these I’m creating for proof of >> concept, not marketability. >> >> In any case, apple watch is something that has been overly and strategically >> marketed, and listening to cook and ive hyping the crap out of it already >> signals there’s manipulation in this. It seems more likely that the second >> or even third reincarnations will be a much better view closer to what >> people imagine in a smart watch. Take for instance the simple fact that star >> trek had thought of dissasembling atom by atom a human person to beam them >> up between ship and planet, but their freaking communicators were like >> archaic one button talkie walkies. So we have tech evolution on our side, >> but this watch is made up of fanfare and sales pitching. >> >> Really, it doesn’t matter if the watch has 2 gigs of music on it. I have 64 >> gigs on my phone. Siri might be cool to talk to asking for stuff, but as I >> said, you can only really do that in a quiet place. This is the catch 22. In >> a quiet public place, you sound stupid asking stuff to the phone, plus its >> nicer if people around weren’t hearing what you’re saying. Second, again >> plugging earphones on a watch is a cyborg manifesto gone mass public >> commercial. It’s vulgar. >> >> Anyway, please do give some accounts on your experiences once its in your >> hands. >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Yuma Antoine Decaux >> "Light has no value without darkness" >> Mob: +61 410732547 >> Skype: Shainobi1 >> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 11/04/2015, at 2:21 am, Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm looking forward to the connections to the health apps. I know >>> there are other devices that do this but over time I do expect this >>> may be the most accessible and integrated. >>> >>> On 4/10/15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi Yuma, thanks for sharing your experiences. That was an interesting read. >>>> I ordered my Apple Watch a few hours ago, not an easy task because it's not >>>> being sold here in New Zealand at launch. I ordered it because I've >>>> received >>>> a lot of customer inquiries about whether I'll write a book about it, and >>>> whether I can provide training, so for me, the watch is a business expense. >>>> If I didn't have a business reason for buying one, I reckon I'd sit this >>>> one >>>> out. I have yet to see much of a use case for this product at all. I wear a >>>> Braille watch, and I love being able to tell the time quietly and >>>> unobtrusively, especially in boring meetings when I'm counting the minutes. >>>> Like you, I walk around with my phone connected to earbuds, or in my case >>>> cabled to my hearing aids. My phone is in my pocket at all times, and by >>>> good use of notification sounds, I know when there's a notification I >>>> really >>>> need to attend to right now. >>>> I also use a Focus 14 Blue Braille display which is around my neck, so I >>>> already have a great, silent tool for checking things without taking the >>>> phone out of my pocket if that's what I want. >>>> When I use the watch, I may feel differently and decide I can't imagine >>>> life >>>> without it, but right now I don't see why I'd feel that way. >>>> I would like to just make a few small points based on the research I've >>>> done >>>> to date, in case people are still on the fence. >>>> You're right, the watch's functionality is limited without a phone, but >>>> it's >>>> not completely useless. For example, Apple Pay works stand-alone. You can >>>> have up to 2GB of music stored locally on the device, and there is storage >>>> for photos as well. Finally, you can connect to a wi-fi hotspot directly >>>> from the watch and use Siri, send iMessages, and yes, heartbeats too. >>>> One thing I think could be potentially useful about the watch is the haptic >>>> feedback you can receive when using it in conjunction with Maps. The >>>> feedback on your wrist gives you directions without having to listen to >>>> instructions. For people who are nervous about having their ears covered or >>>> distracted by speech, this could be good. >>>> I also wonder about the benefits of haptic feedback for people with hearing >>>> impairments. For example, if you charged it sometime during the day, maybe >>>> while you're at the office, you could wear it at night and get an alarm >>>> that >>>> taps you on the wrist to wake you. That said, I'm probably clutching at >>>> straws a bit with this one as there are far cheaper products that will wake >>>> you with an alarm you don't need to hear. >>>> You can also pair the watch with Bluetooth headsets although I understand >>>> there may be some issues at launch with some. >>>> I'll look forward to holding one in my hands, it will b interesting to see >>>> what other list members think. >>>> Jonathan Mosen >>>> Mosen Consulting >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> >>>>> On 11/04/2015, at 2:37 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:jamy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Just wanted to tell you guys what my first impression of an apple watch, >>>>> as a design cue, on the instant the apple sales girl handed it to me. It >>>>> almost felt as though she was unsure whether to hand it over after talking >>>>> market stuff about it, and after a few tos and fros, I had the suspicion >>>>> she had the same idea. >>>>> >>>>> It's thick. Imagine a large toffee. with a button and a digital crown on >>>>> the side. I was first handed the links bracelet model. And the truth is, I >>>>> will wait for a way slimmer version. No matter the functionalities of this >>>>> thing. The demo it gave, as we couldn't test it out there and then, gave >>>>> some impressions on the haptic. Sure, it gives you a very discreet tick on >>>>> the wrist. Wow. Really? Amazing technology. Feel the sarcasm. But what >>>>> still is stamped with hot iron in my mind is not this tick, but how ugly >>>>> it felt in my hand with its thickness. Imagine thick enough so that you >>>>> have a space on the sides of your wrist with both links and sports bands. >>>>> You can fit a cigarette on either side. You just can't find a position >>>>> that leaves the bracelet flat over your wrist all around. Even that fancy >>>>> metal mesh bracelet had a space. What struck me was that I when I said >>>>> "This thing is rather thick", the sales girl replied with a "Yeah, I was >>>>> really surprised too". I think this must have been a deal breaker for a >>>>> lot of people going in there to see it. I couldn't hear any oos or aahs >>>>> anywhere. Checking both sizes of this thing, there's not much difference >>>>> and both just feel like fat unattractive toffees that come with diferent >>>>> bands which don't add anything to the watch culture. Having had watches >>>>> before in my time, I much preffer having nothing on my wrist than this >>>>> hunk of technology that seems to have a fatal bullimic inclination due to >>>>> battery restrictions. >>>>> >>>>> The second shocker for me was that this little piece of thing which is >>>>> useless without an iphone actually costs more than an iphone 6 here in >>>>> Australia. Not only is it a second deal breaker, it's a total insult to >>>>> australian consumers. From 500 something mentioned during the presentation >>>>> to over 1600 aus dollars here, with 200 extra for the space black version. >>>>> It's a complete ripoff. And I weigh my words. See why below: >>>>> >>>>> 1-It does nothing without pairing it with an iphone 5 or more. It's >>>>> totally useless when your phone dies, if it doesn't die before it. >>>>> 2-The fancy shmancy terms used like digital crown are a gimmick beyond the >>>>> slickest of car salespersons. I have less respect for Jimmy Ive now. It's >>>>> just a freaking rotating button which you can also push. Man this is the >>>>> future (sarcasm again) >>>>> 3-You have to charge it daily, along with the phone. If you have a guide >>>>> dogm another pet, uni, etc the list goes on, why consider an extra daily >>>>> chore like this for not much? >>>>> 4-To make it cost more than an iphone, which in all technological, >>>>> functional and complexity terms has more to give than a watch is a blatant >>>>> disrespect of customers as well as an inherent belief from these people >>>>> that once hooked, a stupid apple customer will buy anything that comes out >>>>> just from the hype driven events. >>>>> 5-As blind phone users, I believe This is useless anyway. let me develop >>>>> below. >>>>> >>>>> I jack my phone with headphones when I walk around, either to tell siri to >>>>> open ariadne gps which gives me directions, or call this or do that. I >>>>> have the handy mic button and siri works for simple tasks like this. An >>>>> apple watch won't bring anything better to my experience in the active >>>>> set. Having the phone talk to me while i walk is the worst geek nerd >>>>> interpretation nightmare I could think of, and I would have to lean the >>>>> hand toward my ear anyway because of background noise, and I won't make >>>>> myself look like a sick puppy with a flebo on my wrist with earbuds. And >>>>> you need to pull your arm up to do anything to it. Another thing the sales >>>>> girl told me which just completely killed it, in a very comical way, was >>>>> that apple advised that they wanted watch users not to use the watch over >>>>> 30 seconds at a time, as they thought it was the benchmark limit at which >>>>> point your arm gets tired. Talk about computer human interaction research >>>>> (another sarcasm). This was one other of their excuses for battery time >>>>> that basically sucked shit (excuse my french) and providing weird >>>>> marketing justifications to still try and make the watch appealing. >>>>> However, by that time, the sales girl knew she smelled better than this >>>>> thing, than the watch, that I was not sold on the design factor (as a >>>>> blind user and former 3D modeler), I really didn't find this good. at all. >>>>> My impression was that it would be a longer rectangular shape, slimmer >>>>> along the arm and longer over the wrist, slightly bent, pretty much >>>>> marrying the shape of the wrist, and giving more expansion to the battery. >>>>> Seriously, go to an apple store and touch the thing. It's ugly to the >>>>> touch. >>>>> >>>>> In the end, I told the sales girl I wanted a pair of those apple earbuds, >>>>> the standard cheapo ones, and please send me to the genius bar. I love >>>>> their genius as everytime I have an issue on my iphone 6 (twice this year, >>>>> first one being that it died inexplicably when I woke up one morning, and >>>>> this time it bent in my jeans pocket and I couldn't use the headphones >>>>> anymore) have the genius of just replacing your phone. Final irony is that >>>>> I had no idea it was bent but one of the staff members noticed it. And >>>>> obviously the restore backup on icloud etc required me to hand off my >>>>> password about 5 times to the genius because voice over wasn't turning on >>>>> right there and then, and required an update from 8.2 to 8.3. And to >>>>> imagine taht my server setup at home, with cache of all new software that >>>>> pushes it to my devices in a flash, once it downloaded on the server, was >>>>> not installed at the apple store itself, meaning I had to stand there like >>>>> a bum for 25 odd minutes with the genius giving me some meta technical >>>>> explanation when I pointed it out (meaning it was bullshit to a computer >>>>> science student majoring in maths but completely valid to a lambda user), >>>>> I felt like I was in a place I really didn't want to be in. Everything >>>>> just felt fake, the music felt like some weird supermarket of tech >>>>> accompaniment, the people going there felt like they were second or third >>>>> or fifth wave apple new buyers (Unlike myself, who's first computer was an >>>>> apple II), I felt like apple just went down a notch in my respect gauge, >>>>> meaning that the entire tech industry and my faith in it went down since I >>>>> won't find better for now. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I was expecting too much from this apple watch, maybe I'm spot on. >>>>> I'm usually very good with my intuition and when the rest of the pack >>>>> starts to pick it up, I don >>>>> t go "you see?" but it generally occurs and I smile to myself silently. So >>>>> I thought it good to communicate this to y'all, my conclusion being: wait >>>>> for a slimmer, less expensive version of this luxury item made for those >>>>> who have to show tech because only tech savvy as mass consumer, not slick >>>>> tech guru type with a much brighter idea of the future than this poorly >>>>> executed timepiece. I'm sure the software is top notch. I trust >>>>> Freddericci and his team of apple engineers. I don't trust Johnny ive's >>>>> pompous description of things and his love of bling bling, and I don't >>>>> trust Tim cook's accountant/logistics mind. I really hope apple will get >>>>> one of the nwer guys within to come out. A younger design guy too. apple >>>>> is heading towards a weird frontier of utopic pontificating tech that I'm >>>>> not comfortable with to be honest. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>>> Mob: +61 410732547 >>>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries> >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex Hall > mehg...@icloud.com <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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