Superb reply. Really informative mate Yuma Antoine Decaux "Light has no value without darkness" Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
> On 11/04/2015, at 2:53 am, george b <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well then don’t buy one > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Yuma Antoine Decaux > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 09:52 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today > > Hi All, points taken but they don’t sell me on it. The price is just criminal. > > I would rather have something that altogether gets rid of the screen and is > used as a notification/orientation/sensor device that can send relevant > information to the iphone. Case of having bluetooth earbuds or earphones is > adding yet another device to charge. I’m basing all of my opinions on > elegance not only of material choice but also elegance in lifestyle. Keeping > a tab on your device charges is not elegance, it’s accounting. > > I agree that there can be interesting applications with health and motion but > again, this could be placed as a very nice little slab necklace type thing, > like maori necklaces say, getting rid of energy sucking features such as > touch screens and the yada yada on the current incarnation of the watch. > Sometimes it makes no sense to cram a technology taht seems to be useful for > one thing and paste it all over the place. In fact, I’m working on arduino > prototypes attaching all sorts of sensors to make such a device, obviously > its bulkier than apple stuff for now, but these I’m creating for proof of > concept, not marketability. > > In any case, apple watch is something that has been overly and strategically > marketed, and listening to cook and ive hyping the crap out of it already > signals there’s manipulation in this. It seems more likely that the second or > even third reincarnations will be a much better view closer to what people > imagine in a smart watch. Take for instance the simple fact that star trek > had thought of dissasembling atom by atom a human person to beam them up > between ship and planet, but their freaking communicators were like archaic > one button talkie walkies. So we have tech evolution on our side, but this > watch is made up of fanfare and sales pitching. > > Really, it doesn’t matter if the watch has 2 gigs of music on it. I have 64 > gigs on my phone. Siri might be cool to talk to asking for stuff, but as I > said, you can only really do that in a quiet place. This is the catch 22. In > a quiet public place, you sound stupid asking stuff to the phone, plus its > nicer if people around weren’t hearing what you’re saying. Second, again > plugging earphones on a watch is a cyborg manifesto gone mass public > commercial. It’s vulgar. > > Anyway, please do give some accounts on your experiences once its in your > hands. > > Best regards, > > > > Yuma Antoine Decaux > "Light has no value without darkness" > Mob: +61 410732547 > Skype: Shainobi1 > twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> > > > > > >> On 11/04/2015, at 2:21 am, Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com >> <mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I'm looking forward to the connections to the health apps. I know >> there are other devices that do this but over time I do expect this >> may be the most accessible and integrated. >> >> On 4/10/15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Yuma, thanks for sharing your experiences. That was an interesting read. >>> I ordered my Apple Watch a few hours ago, not an easy task because it's not >>> being sold here in New Zealand at launch. I ordered it because I've received >>> a lot of customer inquiries about whether I'll write a book about it, and >>> whether I can provide training, so for me, the watch is a business expense. >>> If I didn't have a business reason for buying one, I reckon I'd sit this one >>> out. I have yet to see much of a use case for this product at all. I wear a >>> Braille watch, and I love being able to tell the time quietly and >>> unobtrusively, especially in boring meetings when I'm counting the minutes. >>> Like you, I walk around with my phone connected to earbuds, or in my case >>> cabled to my hearing aids. My phone is in my pocket at all times, and by >>> good use of notification sounds, I know when there's a notification I really >>> need to attend to right now. >>> I also use a Focus 14 Blue Braille display which is around my neck, so I >>> already have a great, silent tool for checking things without taking the >>> phone out of my pocket if that's what I want. >>> When I use the watch, I may feel differently and decide I can't imagine life >>> without it, but right now I don't see why I'd feel that way. >>> I would like to just make a few small points based on the research I've done >>> to date, in case people are still on the fence. >>> You're right, the watch's functionality is limited without a phone, but it's >>> not completely useless. For example, Apple Pay works stand-alone. You can >>> have up to 2GB of music stored locally on the device, and there is storage >>> for photos as well. Finally, you can connect to a wi-fi hotspot directly >>> from the watch and use Siri, send iMessages, and yes, heartbeats too. >>> One thing I think could be potentially useful about the watch is the haptic >>> feedback you can receive when using it in conjunction with Maps. The >>> feedback on your wrist gives you directions without having to listen to >>> instructions. For people who are nervous about having their ears covered or >>> distracted by speech, this could be good. >>> I also wonder about the benefits of haptic feedback for people with hearing >>> impairments. For example, if you charged it sometime during the day, maybe >>> while you're at the office, you could wear it at night and get an alarm that >>> taps you on the wrist to wake you. That said, I'm probably clutching at >>> straws a bit with this one as there are far cheaper products that will wake >>> you with an alarm you don't need to hear. >>> You can also pair the watch with Bluetooth headsets although I understand >>> there may be some issues at launch with some. >>> I'll look forward to holding one in my hands, it will b interesting to see >>> what other list members think. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>> >>> >>>> On 11/04/2015, at 2:37 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:jamy...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Just wanted to tell you guys what my first impression of an apple watch, >>>> as a design cue, on the instant the apple sales girl handed it to me. It >>>> almost felt as though she was unsure whether to hand it over after talking >>>> market stuff about it, and after a few tos and fros, I had the suspicion >>>> she had the same idea. >>>> >>>> It's thick. Imagine a large toffee. with a button and a digital crown on >>>> the side. I was first handed the links bracelet model. And the truth is, I >>>> will wait for a way slimmer version. No matter the functionalities of this >>>> thing. The demo it gave, as we couldn't test it out there and then, gave >>>> some impressions on the haptic. Sure, it gives you a very discreet tick on >>>> the wrist. Wow. Really? Amazing technology. Feel the sarcasm. But what >>>> still is stamped with hot iron in my mind is not this tick, but how ugly >>>> it felt in my hand with its thickness. Imagine thick enough so that you >>>> have a space on the sides of your wrist with both links and sports bands. >>>> You can fit a cigarette on either side. You just can't find a position >>>> that leaves the bracelet flat over your wrist all around. Even that fancy >>>> metal mesh bracelet had a space. What struck me was that I when I said >>>> "This thing is rather thick", the sales girl replied with a "Yeah, I was >>>> really surprised too". I think this must have been a deal breaker for a >>>> lot of people going in there to see it. I couldn't hear any oos or aahs >>>> anywhere. Checking both sizes of this thing, there's not much difference >>>> and both just feel like fat unattractive toffees that come with diferent >>>> bands which don't add anything to the watch culture. Having had watches >>>> before in my time, I much preffer having nothing on my wrist than this >>>> hunk of technology that seems to have a fatal bullimic inclination due to >>>> battery restrictions. >>>> >>>> The second shocker for me was that this little piece of thing which is >>>> useless without an iphone actually costs more than an iphone 6 here in >>>> Australia. Not only is it a second deal breaker, it's a total insult to >>>> australian consumers. From 500 something mentioned during the presentation >>>> to over 1600 aus dollars here, with 200 extra for the space black version. >>>> It's a complete ripoff. And I weigh my words. See why below: >>>> >>>> 1-It does nothing without pairing it with an iphone 5 or more. It's >>>> totally useless when your phone dies, if it doesn't die before it. >>>> 2-The fancy shmancy terms used like digital crown are a gimmick beyond the >>>> slickest of car salespersons. I have less respect for Jimmy Ive now. It's >>>> just a freaking rotating button which you can also push. Man this is the >>>> future (sarcasm again) >>>> 3-You have to charge it daily, along with the phone. If you have a guide >>>> dogm another pet, uni, etc the list goes on, why consider an extra daily >>>> chore like this for not much? >>>> 4-To make it cost more than an iphone, which in all technological, >>>> functional and complexity terms has more to give than a watch is a blatant >>>> disrespect of customers as well as an inherent belief from these people >>>> that once hooked, a stupid apple customer will buy anything that comes out >>>> just from the hype driven events. >>>> 5-As blind phone users, I believe This is useless anyway. let me develop >>>> below. >>>> >>>> I jack my phone with headphones when I walk around, either to tell siri to >>>> open ariadne gps which gives me directions, or call this or do that. I >>>> have the handy mic button and siri works for simple tasks like this. An >>>> apple watch won't bring anything better to my experience in the active >>>> set. Having the phone talk to me while i walk is the worst geek nerd >>>> interpretation nightmare I could think of, and I would have to lean the >>>> hand toward my ear anyway because of background noise, and I won't make >>>> myself look like a sick puppy with a flebo on my wrist with earbuds. And >>>> you need to pull your arm up to do anything to it. Another thing the sales >>>> girl told me which just completely killed it, in a very comical way, was >>>> that apple advised that they wanted watch users not to use the watch over >>>> 30 seconds at a time, as they thought it was the benchmark limit at which >>>> point your arm gets tired. Talk about computer human interaction research >>>> (another sarcasm). This was one other of their excuses for battery time >>>> that basically sucked shit (excuse my french) and providing weird >>>> marketing justifications to still try and make the watch appealing. >>>> However, by that time, the sales girl knew she smelled better than this >>>> thing, than the watch, that I was not sold on the design factor (as a >>>> blind user and former 3D modeler), I really didn't find this good. at all. >>>> My impression was that it would be a longer rectangular shape, slimmer >>>> along the arm and longer over the wrist, slightly bent, pretty much >>>> marrying the shape of the wrist, and giving more expansion to the battery. >>>> Seriously, go to an apple store and touch the thing. It's ugly to the >>>> touch. >>>> >>>> In the end, I told the sales girl I wanted a pair of those apple earbuds, >>>> the standard cheapo ones, and please send me to the genius bar. I love >>>> their genius as everytime I have an issue on my iphone 6 (twice this year, >>>> first one being that it died inexplicably when I woke up one morning, and >>>> this time it bent in my jeans pocket and I couldn't use the headphones >>>> anymore) have the genius of just replacing your phone. Final irony is that >>>> I had no idea it was bent but one of the staff members noticed it. And >>>> obviously the restore backup on icloud etc required me to hand off my >>>> password about 5 times to the genius because voice over wasn't turning on >>>> right there and then, and required an update from 8.2 to 8.3. And to >>>> imagine taht my server setup at home, with cache of all new software that >>>> pushes it to my devices in a flash, once it downloaded on the server, was >>>> not installed at the apple store itself, meaning I had to stand there like >>>> a bum for 25 odd minutes with the genius giving me some meta technical >>>> explanation when I pointed it out (meaning it was bullshit to a computer >>>> science student majoring in maths but completely valid to a lambda user), >>>> I felt like I was in a place I really didn't want to be in. Everything >>>> just felt fake, the music felt like some weird supermarket of tech >>>> accompaniment, the people going there felt like they were second or third >>>> or fifth wave apple new buyers (Unlike myself, who's first computer was an >>>> apple II), I felt like apple just went down a notch in my respect gauge, >>>> meaning that the entire tech industry and my faith in it went down since I >>>> won't find better for now. >>>> >>>> Maybe I was expecting too much from this apple watch, maybe I'm spot on. >>>> I'm usually very good with my intuition and when the rest of the pack >>>> starts to pick it up, I don >>>> t go "you see?" but it generally occurs and I smile to myself silently. So >>>> I thought it good to communicate this to y'all, my conclusion being: wait >>>> for a slimmer, less expensive version of this luxury item made for those >>>> who have to show tech because only tech savvy as mass consumer, not slick >>>> tech guru type with a much brighter idea of the future than this poorly >>>> executed timepiece. I'm sure the software is top notch. I trust >>>> Freddericci and his team of apple engineers. I don't trust Johnny ive's >>>> pompous description of things and his love of bling bling, and I don't >>>> trust Tim cook's accountant/logistics mind. I really hope apple will get >>>> one of the nwer guys within to come out. A younger design guy too. apple >>>> is heading towards a weird frontier of utopic pontificating tech that I'm >>>> not comfortable with to be honest. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux >>>> "Light has no value without darkness" >>>> Mob: +61 410732547 >>>> Skype: Shainobi1 >>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7> >>>> <http://www.twitter.com/triple7 <http://www.twitter.com/triple7>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries> >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>>. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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