You can borrow one for a one-time use, or enable mouse keys. This lets your right keys (u i o, j k l, m common period) act as movement keys for the mouse. This is in System Preferences > Accessibility, I believe. > On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > Um, what if I don't have mouse? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: > >> There's a splitter just before it. Route your mouse to that, then hold the >> mouse button down while dragging straight down on the mouse. If you do it >> right, which might take a few tries, the pane will go away. >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com >>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> So, how did you turn off the preview pane? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't use the preview pane, which is how vo-j lets you read a message, >>>> because doing so will mark a message ad "read" once I arrow past it, even >>>> if I don't read it. What I can say is that I'm back in standard view for >>>> now, because there's a bug in classic view where VoiceOver says that every >>>> message is a conversation. This gets very verbose, and it wasn't worth >>>> dealing with. Standard view works just fine, though. >>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>> >>>>> First of all, thanks for the excellent podcast you did on Apple this. I >>>>> had a question about mail. I have not upgraded yet. I suspect they will >>>>> do so soon. I am wondering since I use classic view to read mail in >>>>> conversation threads, I use VO – J all the time. Will I be able to do >>>>> that as I have been doing well I need to modify how I do this? Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com >>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've heard one report of the unread status being unreliable, but that's >>>>>> it. I don't have that problem, and I've not heard anyone else talk about >>>>>> it aside from that single report. Maybe you'll run into it, but for what >>>>>> it's worth, I haven't. >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I for one, applaud what you and the others are doing with respect to >>>>>>> your work on Mail and the other parts of Yosemite. Just one thing >>>>>>> bothers me. I am informed that with this version of Mail, messages are >>>>>>> indicated to be unread even if they have in fact been read. Is this >>>>>>> so? In fact, it's the one small factor holding me back from doing the >>>>>>> update. I trust the signatures part crashing has also been fixed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user! >>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>>> blind built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 2:21 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Pamela, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>>> "Is it different than the junk they released with this most recent OS?" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It truly saddens me that you feel that the current build of Mail is >>>>>>>> junky. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I think I can understand your frustration, I want you to know >>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>> and others worked very hard to make sure that the core functionality >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> application was not lost in this, the first commercial release of the >>>>>>>> application. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the previous version of Mail, using the VoiceOver + arrow key >>>>>>>> combos made >>>>>>>> sense in terms of the order in which items were placed into focus. >>>>>>>> Now, as >>>>>>>> you have no doubt discovered, navigating from the Mailboxes Table to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Messages table, for example, is no longer linear. In fact, the order >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> which they appear makes no sense, at all, from a VoiceOver user's >>>>>>>> perspective, in my opinion of course. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please know that these kinds of things have been bugged and Apple is >>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>> aware of them. I do not know why they were not addressed in this >>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>> but rest assured that I and others will continue to press for >>>>>>>> improvements. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I, personally, don't use the Classic view but, with just one or two >>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>> changes in keystroke combos, the Standard view works just as well as >>>>>>>> it did >>>>>>>> in Maverick. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not write this because I am trying to save face for Apple, I am >>>>>>>> writing >>>>>>>> this because I believe in the power of this application. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will be happy to help you get your Mail groove back, using Yosemite >>>>>>>> Mail >>>>>>>> by discussing the application in more detail, off-list, should you >>>>>>>> wish. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Pamela Francis >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:11 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: mail in 10.10 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>> Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people >>>>>>>> referred to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> different than the junk they released with this most recent OS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pam Francis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com <mailto:mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages >>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>> be marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard >>>>>>>> view >>>>>>>> they are all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> fact that the unread status is back to the beginning of the info >>>>>>>> announced >>>>>>>> in standard view. Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but >>>>>>>> responsiveness depends on many factors and your milage may vary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> 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