Thanks for the confirmation that the order has changed. I noticed that but yes, 
it still works just as well for me as it did in Mavericks. And it did work for 
me in Mavericks :-) I use this app constantly throughout my day as I am sure 
many of you do.


-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




> On Oct 20, 2014, at 2:21 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Pamela,  
> 
> You wrote:
> "Is it different than the junk they released with this most recent OS?"
> 
> It truly saddens me that you feel that the current build of Mail is junky.  
> 
> While I think I can understand your frustration, I want you to know that I
> and others worked very hard to make sure that the core functionality of the
> application was not lost in this, the first commercial release of the
> application.  
> 
> In the previous version of Mail, using the VoiceOver + arrow key combos made
> sense in terms of the order in which items were placed into focus.  Now, as
> you have no doubt discovered, navigating from the Mailboxes Table to the
> Messages table, for example, is no longer linear.  In fact, the order in
> which they appear makes no sense, at all, from a VoiceOver user's
> perspective, in my opinion of course.  
> 
> Please know that these kinds of things have been bugged and Apple is quite
> aware of them.  I do not know why they were not addressed in this release
> but rest assured that I and others will continue to press for improvements.
> 
> 
> I, personally, don't use the Classic view but, with just one or two little
> changes in keystroke combos, the Standard view works just as well as it did
> in Maverick.  
> 
> I do not write this because I am trying to save face for Apple, I am writing
> this because I believe in the power of this application.
> 
> I will be happy to help you get your Mail groove back, using Yosemite Mail
> by discussing the application in more detail, off-list, should you wish.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Francis
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mail in 10.10
> 
> Hi guys,
> Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people
> referred to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is it
> different than the junk they released with this most recent OS?
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Nicholas Parsons
> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages seem to
> be marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view
> they are all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like the
> fact that the unread status is back to the beginning of the info announced
> in standard view. Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but
> responsiveness depends on many factors and your milage may vary.
> 
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