I don't use the preview pane, which is how vo-j lets you read a message, because doing so will mark a message ad "read" once I arrow past it, even if I don't read it. What I can say is that I'm back in standard view for now, because there's a bug in classic view where VoiceOver says that every message is a conversation. This gets very verbose, and it wasn't worth dealing with. Standard view works just fine, though. > On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > First of all, thanks for the excellent podcast you did on Apple this. I had a > question about mail. I have not upgraded yet. I suspect they will do so soon. > I am wondering since I use classic view to read mail in conversation threads, > I use VO – J all the time. Will I be able to do that as I have been doing > well I need to modify how I do this? Thanks. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote: > >> I've heard one report of the unread status being unreliable, but that's it. >> I don't have that problem, and I've not heard anyone else talk about it >> aside from that single report. Maybe you'll run into it, but for what it's >> worth, I haven't. >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>> >>> I for one, applaud what you and the others are doing with respect to your >>> work on Mail and the other parts of Yosemite. Just one thing bothers me. >>> I am informed that with this version of Mail, messages are indicated to be >>> unread even if they have in fact been read. Is this so? In fact, it's the >>> one small factor holding me back from doing the update. I trust the >>> signatures part crashing has also been fixed? >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user! >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus! >>> >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 2:21 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Pamela, >>>> >>>> You wrote: >>>> "Is it different than the junk they released with this most recent OS?" >>>> >>>> It truly saddens me that you feel that the current build of Mail is junky. >>>> >>>> >>>> While I think I can understand your frustration, I want you to know that I >>>> and others worked very hard to make sure that the core functionality of the >>>> application was not lost in this, the first commercial release of the >>>> application. >>>> >>>> In the previous version of Mail, using the VoiceOver + arrow key combos >>>> made >>>> sense in terms of the order in which items were placed into focus. Now, as >>>> you have no doubt discovered, navigating from the Mailboxes Table to the >>>> Messages table, for example, is no longer linear. In fact, the order in >>>> which they appear makes no sense, at all, from a VoiceOver user's >>>> perspective, in my opinion of course. >>>> >>>> Please know that these kinds of things have been bugged and Apple is quite >>>> aware of them. I do not know why they were not addressed in this release >>>> but rest assured that I and others will continue to press for improvements. >>>> >>>> >>>> I, personally, don't use the Classic view but, with just one or two little >>>> changes in keystroke combos, the Standard view works just as well as it did >>>> in Maverick. >>>> >>>> I do not write this because I am trying to save face for Apple, I am >>>> writing >>>> this because I believe in the power of this application. >>>> >>>> I will be happy to help you get your Mail groove back, using Yosemite Mail >>>> by discussing the application in more detail, off-list, should you wish. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Pamela Francis >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:11 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: mail in 10.10 >>>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people >>>> referred to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is it >>>> different than the junk they released with this most recent OS? >>>> >>>> Pam Francis >>>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com <mailto:mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages seem >>>> to >>>> be marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view >>>> they are all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like the >>>> fact that the unread status is back to the beginning of the info announced >>>> in standard view. 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