Again, try adding the smart ones to the pronunciation dictionary. Yes, I'd call it an accessibility bug, and yes, it's a visual thing. They look different, or better, or something. Perhaps someone with some vision can enlighten us further on this? In the meantime, please email accessibil...@apple.com and let them know. Also, note that this is a VoiceOver problem in general, not specific to Pages. On Jul 14, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I managed to get the normal ones to read. > How I did this was to uncheck "use smart quotes and dashes" found in system > preferences, keyboard, text tab and the above check box, which I unchecked. > I then opened up the Pages document and unchecked the smart quotes > instructions you told me. Then typed some text with quotes before and after > in pages and with the punctuation level set to most, this time, Voiceover > read the quotes before and after. > > So would this be an accessibility issue with Voiceover not being able to read > smart quotes but can read the normal ones. > > What's the point of smart quotes anyway. I mean, why would one use them > compared to your normal ones. Is it a visual thing for sighted folks? > On 13 Jul 2014, at 22:50, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Existing ones won't confert back, the option is only as you type them. Write >> a line with quotes included, being sure that the Smart Quotes setting is off >> (I don't know if it is a per-document setting or not) and see what happens >> then. Also give the pronunciation dictionary trick a shot, as other people >> will probably use smart quotes so you may never be rid of them entirely. >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Ok, I tried turning off Smart Quotes directly in Pages itself through the >>> options you gave. Smart Quotes was checked. Unfortunately, after unchecking >>> it and my punctuation level being set to most I read a line or two that >>> contained quotes but Voiceover still wouldn't read them out to me. >>> >>> So, what would you advise me I do next. Pardon my ignorance, but what are >>> smart quotes anyway? >>> >>> If it helps I used shift and the key two letters to right of the L key. >>> >>> On 13 Jul 2014, at 21:16, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>>> In Pages, go to the Edit menu, open the Substitutions submenu, and see if >>>> the option is checked in there. Also, and I haven't tried this, but what >>>> if you pasted in a "fancy" quote when adding a new entry to VO's >>>> pronunciation dictionary, and set the pronunciation to quote? That may, >>>> but may not, get the marks to be spoken correctly. >>>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, I did read my own message with the mail app and it did read the >>>>> quotes out to me. With my puntuaion level set to most. >>>>> >>>>> What is this smart quote thing that you mentioned? Maybe I can take a >>>>> look and turn it off to see if that will work with Pages. >>>>> If you provide me with directions on how to do this, then I can try it >>>>> and report back to you if it worked or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 13 Jul 2014, at 20:21, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Read your own message with punctuation set to most, and see if you hear >>>>>> the quotes. I did, and my level is at most. What I'm trying to work out >>>>>> is if this is specific to Pages somehow, or if it has to do with a >>>>>> substitution. I've noticed that when Smart Quotes is on, replacing >>>>>> normal quotes with those fancy opening/closing ones, the fancy ones are >>>>>> not spoken no matter what. Disabling this and using normal quotes >>>>>> eliminates the problem. >>>>>> On Jul 13, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Daniel McGee >>>>>> <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, using Pages 5.2 on the Mac and having my punctuation 1st set >>>>>>> to some then tested again with most, again, which also failed. >>>>>>> Is it possible to get Voiceover announce quotes when someone is >>>>>>> speaking? For example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James: "Hello, nice weather today isn't." >>>>>>> Jill: "Indeed it certainly is." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that the quotes are not announced before and after the person has >>>>>>> spoken. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Idealy, with punctuation set to most, I'd like to at least what one >>>>>>> hears say with Jaws and with most being set, quote marks are usually >>>>>>> announced by default with this punctuation setting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any help with this would be really appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex Hall >>>>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex Hall >>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> Have a great day, >> Alex Hall >> mehg...@icloud.com >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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