For the Focus 40 Blue, are there any real differences between 4.89 and the 4.93
mentioned here, or is the later one only for the 14 cell model? Is there a
place to download the latest one to get applied?
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From: Jonathan Mosen
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: No Luck with the Focus Blue 40
Hi Gigi, I'll see if I can reproduce your speed issue, there's certainly an
issue with all Braille displays and Brailling too slowly on Apple devices, but
I'll try and see if there's anything Focus 14 Blue specific with Brailling too
fast. But again, this will be a driver issue. It's not an issue with the
display itself and on the iPhone and in Windows I can go at a very good speed.
So this will be something, if it exists, that Apple will need to address. Apple
has all the driver specs but FS will help in whatever way they can if needed.
I'll also see if an appropriate person at FS can reach out to Apple to say
there's been this feedback. Certainly on iPhone, the Focus line is one of the
most reliable displays of the bunch in terms of pairing, so it would be good to
see that experience replicated with Mac.
On 13/05/2014, at 10:38 pm, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote:
Hi Jonathan
When I say horrible, I guess I need to be more specific. It has to do with
writing on the display with the keyboard. The timing of the keys is off
somehowh if you write the letter T, for example, dots to three maybe recognized
first and then dots 45 may be recognized later. . If that is, you Braille too
fast. If I Braille slow enough, that is, real slow, I can get my computer to
recognize what I'm imputting. It is better in computer Braille.
I can read on the display just fine. However, I got it so that I could
write on its keyboard. And that is the very thing I'm having trouble with.
I have a 2011 MacBook Pro with 8 GB of memory because I got it updated. Can
you think of a setting in voiceover that I could change that would make this
better? I am pretty sure that it is not my unit because a representative of
Crystal vision went to the Apple Store and tried to pair his focus 14 with one
of their computers. It didn't work.
Regards,
Gigi
Sent from my iPhone
On May 13, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kawa...@me.com> wrote:
At the moment my display does not work on the Mac via blue tooth and my i
Mac is a 2012 model late! That's OK about my gender Jonnathan! I love this
display so much that got another for work through the Government!
On 13 May 2014, at 02:59 am, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
Hi Gigi. I am replying to you by Brailling into my Focus 14 Blue,
connected to a Macbook Air mid-2013 running Mavericks. Apple not only have the
drivers, they also include them in iOS.
When you say the display is horrible in USB, there are no specifics I
can respond to I'm afraid. People who can help really need you to tell them
what specifically you consider horrible, what you're doing, what results you
are hoping for and what results you get. And obviously I'm very keen to be
helpful because you're right, any Braille display is an investment that should
last you a long time.
I can only tell you that drivers exist and are functioning for many
people but not for some others. I'm not at all minimising your frustration but
that is why I attempted to explain the relationship between a Braille display
and the screen reader developer in my previous message.
Apple Braille can be quite quirky, and that's the case with any
display. But if it's not working at all, then that's something Freedom
Scientific is always happy to help any screen reader developer work on if they
need help. The fact that the Focus family is working, and working well for many
customers, is testimony to the fact that Apple not only have the drivers but
the documentation to have written the drivers.
Oh, and to Kawl, very sorry for getting your gender wrong. Major oops.
:).
Jonathan
On 13/05/2014, at 1:40 pm, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote:
Hi Jonathan
Okay, but the only problem is that Apple says that freedom scientific
has to turn in driver information to them I was told that my focus 14 could run
on any computer. It will not pair with a Mac, and I know that this is just not
like him Braille display that's the problem because another focus 14 will not
pair with other Macintosh computers. The other thing is, mine is horrible even
in USB mode. This display is so bad even in USB mode that it's almost unusable.
I am sure that you can agree, I hope, that Braille displays are too
expensive not to stay working once you get one. This situation is making me a
little nervous about the long-term use of this display because how do I know
that, even if it is fixed for now, it won't become unfixed down the road. These
displays absolutely must work for a reasonable length of time for it to be
worth it for us to pay the kind of money that we pay.
Regards,
Gigi
Sent from my iPhone
On May 12, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
Hi Gigi and all, I'd like to try and set some expectations
regarding what customers should expect from what companies when it comes to
Braille displays.
Kawl wrote to me a few days ago, and once we got past some
terminology, I established what he wanted was the ability to install Focus Blue
firmware updates via the Mac.
Freedom Scientific presently doesn't produce any Mac software, but
I agree that it's not unreasonable to hope that if you've brought some hardware
to run on your Mac, you can upgrade it via that Mac. I can't give any
commitments at this point but I do want you and the list to know that the
request has been passed on and it is being taken seriously. Certainly firmware
upgrades are the responsibility of the Braille display manufacturer, whoever
that manufacturer is.
There is another issue, and that involves some displays apparently
not working on certain variations of Mac. In this case, if the device is
working properly in all other situations, this is most likely to be an issue
for Apple to resolve. Any screen reader developer, in this case VoiceOver,
writes their own drivers to interface with a Braille display. The only drivers
Freedom Scientific write are for JAWS, which they also produce. From time to
time, something may happen which breaks support for certain displays, and
naturally this is highly frustrating for those affected.
I'm using the Focus 40 Blue regularly on a Mac with no issues. This
doesn't help anyone who is having trouble, but it does suggest that the problem
may be isolated to certain kinds of Mac, or even certain kinds of Mac produced
at a certain time, so Apple Accessibility is your best bet for this. Like any
tricky software issue, the more data Apple can get, I'm sure the more likely it
will be that they can isolate and ultimately solve the problem.
I hope that's of some help.
Jonathan
On 12/05/2014, at 1:18 am, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote:
Hi there '
I hope it works, but I might point out that if you call Freedom
Scientific about your braille display like I did and you mention the words
Macintosh computer, you are immediately told to call Apple. They won't even
talk about it, no matter what your question is. I must say they sort of
panicked when I asked about that cd that comes with the Focus 14. I didn't
think it had a Mac installer on it since Apple puts those drives on our Macs,
but I was hoping. I was told immediately no way should I put that cd in my Mac.
They didn't know there was no way I was going to do that unless it was marked
for that or they told me to do it.
Regards,
Gigi
On May 10, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kawa...@me.com>
wrote:
I have written to Apple and to somebody who works in Freedom
scientific to see whether or not we can have firmware drivers as Mac
installers. Hopefully, we will get some results from that soon.
On 10 May 2014, at 08:59 am, Annie Skov Nielsen
<annieskovniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kawal.
It is good to write to apple. It maybe requires a cooperation
between apple and freedom scientiffic to get it to work again.
Best regards Annie.
Den 09/05/2014 kl. 22.41 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu
<kawa...@me.com>:
I have written to Apple access ability or is it the other
way round! To discuss with Freedom scientific. Hopefully, I will have a
response soon, and will share it with you all. I have also written an email to
Jonathan Mosen to ask him to encourage freedom scientific to put Mac installers
of their products on their website.
On 9 May 2014, at 09:19 pm, Annie Skov Nielsen
<annieskovniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Kawal.
I have 2 macs here, on the older mac it works on this mac
from 2011 it will not load the driver as you said. I can not figure out what's
going wrong.
Best regards Annie.
Den 09/05/2014 kl. 21.05 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu
<kawa...@me.com>:
it has nothing to do with the model, as the driver is
stalled on the bell display successfully. It is when you try and connect this
displayed via Bluetooth with the Mac.
On 9 May 2014, at 06:57 pm, Teresa Cochran
<batsfly...@me.com> wrote:
This seems very strange. I've had a Focus 40 blue
since 2010 and it has updated perfectly. Is this possibly a difference between
older and newer models?
Teresa
Visualize whirled peas.
On May 9, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu
<kawa...@me.com> wrote:
Hello.
After updating the firmware on my Bluetooth Focus
40, it will not pair to the Mac via Bluetooth as it says Failed to load Driver.
Suppose I'll have to send an e-mail to
Accessibility.
Kawal.
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