And all this is accessible, right? How does Voiceover handle things like word suggestion lists, things that Wiondows screen readers need special scripts to understand? On web pages, can you move around with commands like "next heading", or at least tell Dragon to "press command option control h"? Sorry for the questions, but I've never known a Mac user who also uses Dragon, and a client of mine is looking at aa mac since their Windows machine is out of date. Between Jaws, J-Say, and Dragon, it would be over a thousand dollars just to upgrade, so I suggested using the money on a Macbook instead. When I found my trial of Dragon to be totally useless, even after enabling it in the privacy settings, I figured the mac was a bad choice for this person, but your experiences make me reconsider. On Mar 10, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Brandon Olivares <programmer2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, you can navigate with it. In fact it has hundreds of commands for each > of your applications that allow you to execute various commands. I believe > you can even create your own. > On Mar 9, 2014, at 11:55 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Yes I did. >> >> A question to Dragon users: can you navigate? In Windows, for instance, you >> can say "press button" or "move up four" or "press tab". Can Dragon on the >> mac do this kind of thing, or is it restricted to dictation only? >> On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Brandon Olivares <programmer2...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Did you allow access to the accessibility features of your computer? In >>> security settings, select privacy, then Accessibility, and check Dragon >>> Dictate. This fixed it for me. >>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 9:03 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. I'm not even talking about training, though - I cannot dictate >>>> anything. I cannot see how to start or pause dictation, access settings, >>>> or anything else. My understanding was that the trial is a time-limited >>>> version of the full program, so in theory I should have full access to all >>>> features. Either way, just dictating would be more than I can do now. >>>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Maurice Mines <maurice.mi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That afternoon, now then reading this message again you >>>>> installed a trial of Dragon. Unfortunately the trial and the full version >>>>> do not behave the same. For instance I don't know if in the trial if you >>>>> can make many adjustments. Two in the flow version however once the >>>>> product is installed the screens leading you through the training work >>>>> for the most part one just has to interact with much of the training >>>>> materials as they are based in a funny type of HTML. But overall I found >>>>> them to be usable. The other thing you might want to know is that Dragon >>>>> uses the TextEdit interface in order to store its text before you >>>>> transfer it into an application. Although this is very confusing to a >>>>> voiceover user. I would strongly suggest that when using the application >>>>> used to set up whatever profile you're going to use and pick from the >>>>> options in the speech menu. For instance, I prefer to start my dictation >>>>> from a sleep state. This way I can isolate the Dragon functions from the >>>>> voiceover functions. But if one wanted to one could start the microphone >>>>> immediately by any least microphone on selection for instance. And these >>>>> all in very different windows. The best way I know of to keep track of >>>>> things, if you can is get a braille display and certainly keep looking at >>>>> it at all times because the bell displays can assure you where the cursor >>>>> is the most part in Michigan figure voiceovers burial preferences >>>>> differently. They stated (if not tried version for yet. But I'm guessing >>>>> that it is much like version 3 so once it is installed a blind person >>>>> should not have many problems with it. >>>>> >>>>> We further note I don't work for the company, but I do use the product >>>>> virtually every day. Because of the written expression disorder that I >>>>> mentioned last night, without Dragon I probably would not have a job. >>>>> Have a good rest of the evening. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely Maurice mines. >>>>> student accessibility aid. >>>>> Voicemail phone 360-524-0791. >>>>> School/work email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu. >>>>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'd love to know what you did then. I installed a trial of Dragon a few >>>>>> weeks ago, opened it up, and Voiceover hardly even saw that a window was >>>>>> there. I could configure nothing, there were no instructions, nothing. >>>>>> Yes, I enabled it in my security settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> As to screen navigation, I know someone for whom that is a must. This >>>>>> person has limited use of one hand and no use of the other, so relies on >>>>>> speech commands to do just about everything. A headset is a must, true. >>>>>> On Mar 9, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Maurice Mines <maurice.mi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good evening, before we start characterizing software good, or bad. I >>>>>>> think we need to stop and try and think of who might be reading this. >>>>>>> Most people it is true don't need dictation but some of us were >>>>>>> actually have verified written expression disorders and other disabling >>>>>>> conditions that require the use of dragon would be helpful to make >>>>>>> certain that we keep those people than mine. Personally I do use Dragon >>>>>>> because of the above-mentioned written expression disorder. I've only >>>>>>> used version three until five have had no real problems with voiceover. >>>>>>> But I also use a braille wdisplay separate from my normal computing >>>>>>> experience. I know that there is some concern about being able to use >>>>>>> the product by telling it what to do as far as screen motion I think >>>>>>> though that you run the risk of entangling with VoiceOver and that >>>>>>> could lead to some headaches. When I get the chance I will actually use >>>>>>> version four and will see how good or bad it is with VoiceOver. The >>>>>>> concerns that Dragon is inaccessible are not true. I have not had any >>>>>>> problems using it after making a few modifications they are minor. The >>>>>>> biggest thing one needs to remember is one should use the headset and >>>>>>> keep voiceover and Dragon separate as far as >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, Maurice Mines. >>>>>>> Student accessibility aid. >>>>>>> Voicemail phone, 360-524-0791. >>>>>>> Work/school email address, maurice.mi...@pcc.edu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:57 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dragon for Mac v3.x is inaccessible, even the company admits to that. >>>>>>>> I haven't tested out v4 yet. Still, if it lacks things like voice >>>>>>>> commands to move around and edit text, or move up and down menus and >>>>>>>> tables, I don't see the point. For straight dictation, the Mac does >>>>>>>> well. That said, Dragon learns as you correct it, whereas the mac does >>>>>>>> not, and Dragon is (from reviews I've read) more accurate even out of >>>>>>>> the box, with no training. If you have problems with the keyboard, >>>>>>>> look at Dragon, but be sure to test if for accessibility and the >>>>>>>> features you will need. If you need basic dictation and will not be >>>>>>>> dictating exclusively, I'd save my money. Those are just my thoughts. >>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 6:04 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Interesting, I believe the ScanSoft speech recognition is the basis >>>>>>>>> for both speech recognition systems. Given that Mac Dictate can now >>>>>>>>> be loaded directly on the Mac for continuous speech recognition, >>>>>>>>> Dragon would most likely only be beneficial if one needed to use more >>>>>>>>> granulated Command and Control rather than just speech dictation >>>>>>>>> recognition. That said, I have no idea how well Dragon will be >>>>>>>>> integrated with VoiceOver. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9 Mar 2014, at 11:25, Apple boy <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ditto. Not that I use dictation but $99 is just wow expensive for >>>>>>>>>> something that can be done at no additional charge. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards Chris >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2014 22:07, Eugenia Firth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi there >>>>>>>>>>> I have not used Dragon, but my first reaction to this is that the >>>>>>>>>>> dictation on the Mac is good enough that I would want a lot of >>>>>>>>>>> benefit more before I would want to spend $99 for it. I find the >>>>>>>>>>> one that already comes with Mavericks to be pretty accurate. Do >>>>>>>>>>> they let you have a trial first? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Gigi >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Eileen Misrahi >>>>>>>>>>>> <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dragon is launching a new dictate software for Mac. There is an >>>>>>>>>>>> introductory price of US $99.99. My question for the list is: With >>>>>>>>>>>> the ability dictate and navigate the Mac via speech, what would be >>>>>>>>>>>> the avantages in investing in Dragon? One feature that caught my >>>>>>>>>>>> attention was the ability to transcribe an single voice audio to >>>>>>>>>>>> script. I have used Dragon Naturally Speaking on the PC side and >>>>>>>>>>>> have been able to work it with JAWS without J-Say. Also, has >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone used Dragon with VO running in the bacground for support? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any input on this subject. Oh by the way, if anyone is >>>>>>>>>>>> interested, the promotion goes until 3/31. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Eileen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Alex Hall >>>>>>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. So let me >>>>>>>> come close this message out by saying this I've not had any real >>>>>>>> problems with Dragon version three and use the voiceover. If anyone >>>>>>>> has any questions feel free to write me off last night be happy to >>>>>>>> answer them when I have time. Thank you all very much for reading. >>>>>>>> Please note that I'm dictating this to my phone because I'm out and >>>>>>>> about. Brett this message and wanted to at least begin the process of >>>>>>>> explaining that all is not quite the way that it appears. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex Hall >>>>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex Hall >>>> mehg...@icloud.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> Have a great day, >> Alex Hall >> mehg...@icloud.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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