Hello all, Just my thoughts regarding the new iTunes. At first, I was really frustrated about the tab key. However, I like relying on the VO navigation. It sure works smoothly. I also like the LCD scroll area. You can see how much time has elapsed and how much time is left on the current song. I don't know if the tab thing was done on purpose or not, but using the VO keys and navigating this way really works.
Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 12, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > Ah, now I'm with ya! I disagree about some of that, but at the end of > the day that's just my humble opinion. You've got a lot more > experience of this stuff than me and your way of looking at it is more > than likely to be a lot closer to the way Apple will be looking at it. > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> > wrote: >> >> yes, we are but they are important hairs. There is a fine but >> neverthe less distinction between what is and what is not a bug and >> how each should be treated. In order to determine if something is a >> bug, it must be first determined whether it hinders the application >> its self or is something that does not work. I could go into depth >> on >> this but don't think the list is here for that. I would encourage >> folk to provide feedback, but as to whether something is a bug, we >> need to understand clearly whether it is or not. In this case, we >> are >> not dealing with a bug. a bug can also be an unattended consequence. >> I'm also not saying that does not provide a disadvantage at least >> initially but that all of the functionality of ITunes that is >> available is available and even more than before in 8.1. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> >> lol, come on man, we're splitting hairs somewhat here aren't we. All >> I was actually meaning to say with that sentence was that perhaps >> you've got a point in saying it might be that Apple already realises >> that this is how iTunes and VO interact for now, I can't know for >> sure >> either way until they actually respond to one of us and neither can >> you. In any case it's been sent in to Apple now, so let's see what >> they make of it. >> >> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> You do provie a way out of bug status here: >>>> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >>>> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the >>>> case, IE >>>> no harm done. >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's >>> not >>> a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we >>> got our wires crossed. >>> >>> >>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with >>>> below. >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >>>> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the >>>> case, IE >>>> no harm done. >>>> Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic >>>> access, >>>> but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency >>>> that's >>>> regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, >>>> but >>>> at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do >>>> nobody >>>> any harm. Or did I miss something? >>>> >>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>>> <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Scott, >>>>> It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other >>>>> areas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How not out of interest? >>>>> Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way >>>>> that >>>>> this could be by design and be useful to anyone. >>>>> >>>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> bug well, maybe not. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is >>>>>> fixed, >>>>>> but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still >>>>>> worth >>>>>> reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's >>>>>> always >>>>>> more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that >>>>>> eventually >>>>>> needs to work. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see >>>>>> if >>>>>> that affects anything? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>>>>> <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or >>>>>>> renting a >>>>>>> movie, i can't see the progress? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HI David. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view >>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>> view >>>>>>>> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i >>>>>>>> tab >>>>>>>> past the >>>>>>>> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> the new >>>>>>>> iTunes is fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >>>>>>>> knows how it >>>>>>>> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>> cursor >>>>>>>> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "David Poehlman" >>>>>>>> <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, >>>>>>>>> sources >>>>>>>>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser >>>>>>>>> on, >>>>>>>>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> lick >>>>>>>>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>>>>> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case >>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >>>>>>>>> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious >>>>>>>>> issues. >>>>>>>>> Chief >>>>>>>>> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >>>>>>>>> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly >>>>>>>>> jump >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious >>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>>> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here >>>>>>>>> duplicate >>>>>>>>> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if >>>>>>>>> Voiceover >>>>>>>>> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> one, >>>>>>>>> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's >>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've >>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>> another issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >>>>>>>>> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that >>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be >>>>>>>>> impossible >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> get at or repair. >>>>>>>>> --Douglas Adams >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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