Ah, now I'm with ya! I disagree about some of that, but at the end of the day that's just my humble opinion. You've got a lot more experience of this stuff than me and your way of looking at it is more than likely to be a lot closer to the way Apple will be looking at it.
On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> wrote: > > yes, we are but they are important hairs. There is a fine but > neverthe less distinction between what is and what is not a bug and > how each should be treated. In order to determine if something is a > bug, it must be first determined whether it hinders the application > its self or is something that does not work. I could go into depth on > this but don't think the list is here for that. I would encourage > folk to provide feedback, but as to whether something is a bug, we > need to understand clearly whether it is or not. In this case, we are > not dealing with a bug. a bug can also be an unattended consequence. > I'm also not saying that does not provide a disadvantage at least > initially but that all of the functionality of ITunes that is > available is available and even more than before in 8.1. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > lol, come on man, we're splitting hairs somewhat here aren't we. All > I was actually meaning to say with that sentence was that perhaps > you've got a point in saying it might be that Apple already realises > that this is how iTunes and VO interact for now, I can't know for sure > either way until they actually respond to one of us and neither can > you. In any case it's been sent in to Apple now, so let's see what > they make of it. > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> > wrote: >> >> You do provie a way out of bug status here: >>> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >>> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE >>> no harm done. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> >> Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's not >> a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we >> got our wires crossed. >> >> >> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with >>> below. >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>> >>> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >>> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE >>> no harm done. >>> Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic >>> access, >>> but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's >>> regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, but >>> at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do nobody >>> any harm. Or did I miss something? >>> >>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other >>>> areas. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> How not out of interest? >>>> Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that >>>> this could be by design and be useful to anyone. >>>> >>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> bug well, maybe not. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is >>>>> fixed, >>>>> but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still >>>>> worth >>>>> reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's >>>>> always >>>>> more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that >>>>> eventually >>>>> needs to work. >>>>> >>>>> While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if >>>>> that affects anything? >>>>> >>>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>>>> <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do >>>>>> your >>>>>> work. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but >>>>>> what >>>>>> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a >>>>>> movie, i can't see the progress? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HI David. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view >>>>>>> text >>>>>>> view >>>>>>> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i >>>>>>> tab >>>>>>> past the >>>>>>> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >>>>>>> the new >>>>>>> iTunes is fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >>>>>>> knows how it >>>>>>> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >>>>>>> cursor >>>>>>> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com> >>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, >>>>>>>> sources >>>>>>>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser >>>>>>>> on, >>>>>>>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> lick >>>>>>>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>>>> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's >>>>>>>> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >>>>>>>> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. >>>>>>>> Chief >>>>>>>> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >>>>>>>> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly >>>>>>>> jump >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious >>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here >>>>>>>> duplicate >>>>>>>> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover >>>>>>>> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first >>>>>>>> one, >>>>>>>> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got >>>>>>>> another issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >>>>>>>> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that >>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be >>>>>>>> impossible >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> get at or repair. >>>>>>>> --Douglas Adams >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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