Fullwrite was abandoned about 1995 or 2000, sob. I was not as crazy about it as Jerry since it was a bugger when doing tables but compared to something like MS Word it was heaven.
On 20 March 2015 at 04:55, Michael Berger <id...@online.de> wrote: > On 03/20/2015 08:44 AM, Jerry wrote: > >> On Mar 14, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Robert Susmilch <rob...@susmilch.com> wrote: >> >> This seems absurd given that Lyx purports to free you to write and not >>> micromanage things like this. The tutorial goes on and on about using >>> citations, bibliography, automatic section and chapter title numbering >>> that takes care of itself. If I can number an equation and it's >>> automatic that means the equation numbering can / will change as they >>> are moved about, added or deleted, etc. >>> >> I agree, but would stop short of "absurd" and simply say "awkward," >> "clumsy," and then I'll stop. It does work. I believe that Microsoft Word >> and Mathematica require the same sort of tedious labeling, and those are >> not necessarily good models. I know for a fact that this problem can be >> handled better because I used the long-gone and much-loved FullWrite >> Professional for about 10 years, from 1988 to 1998, and it did not require >> labeling of anything. You simply inserted, as a reference, the current >> equation number and then FullWrite automatically kept everything up to >> date. It was just that simple. >> And, not trivially, FullWrite had a _graphical_ equation browser, >> a window of all your (filtered) stand-alone equations, numbered or not, in >> a scrollable window. Now _that_ was neat. I think I have filed a feature >> request for LyX but I don't expect anything to happen for a long time. >> However, LyX has an option to render equations on-screen already (Instant >> Preview) so it seems that the hard part of a graphical browser has already >> been done. >> With a graphical browser, one could assign nonsense labels (AA, >> AB, AC, ... or just 1, 2, 3, ...) and use the graphical browser to find the >> one to which you want to insert a reference and just click on the image. >> That's what you do anyway, only instead of a dedicated graphical browser, >> you just scroll around in your main document window until you find the >> equation you want to reference, and that's not efficient or fun. >> >> >> and then... >> On Mar 15, 2015, at 5:26 PM, David A Case <c...@biomaps.rutgers.edu> >> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, Robert Susmilch wrote: >>> >>>> I have Googled a way to refer to numbered equations in text, such as >>>> "See equation (3)" in Lyx but everything I read, whether from other >>>> users or wikis, suggests labeling the already numbered equations and >>>> then using the label to cross reference. >>>> >>>> This seems absurd .... >>>> >>> This has been discussed before on this list. The requirement to have a >>> label makes good sense: how do you propose to refer to an equation that >>> does not have a label? Remember that its number will change as equations >>> are added or removed, whereas the label will not change. >>> >>> It seems like you may wish to have a cross reference that says the >>> following: "refer to the *current* equation (3), and update the number in >>> the cross reference if the corresponding equation number changes." This >>> might be implemented by having LyX create a unique but hidden label for >>> every numbered equation, and providing some sort of user interface to >>> refer to it. >>> >> Nice answer. >> >>> For good reasons or bad, this is not the way LyX and latex work. >>> >> Why do you say this? You just proposed a solution to use the LyX/Latex >> underpinnings to do that very thing. And that's probably the way FullWrite >> did it. >> >> Note that >>> numbered equations are no different in this respect than are numbered >>> sections, etc. >>> >>> ....dave case >>> >>> Finally (I'll file a ticket for this in due course), a simple >> improvement of the current system would be to display the labels with more >> characters than are currently used; currently, so few characters are >> displayed that one quickly becomes confused about which equation the label >> belongs to. >> >> Jerry >> > > Dear Jerry and followers of this very issue, > personally I am happy with LyX's philosophy and think we should not > over-emphasize such detail. > Is adding a label really such tremendous effort? > However, I see the point of some users. > But could it be that the implementation of "this simple improvement" turns > out not to be so very simple? > (see above: For good reasons or bad, this is not the way LyX and latex > work) > > Now, please have a look at the screen-shot attached. > It shows an excerpt of André Miede's excellent "classicthesis". > He created a new type of reference (Insert > Custom Insets > CT-auto > cross-reference) which can show labels of more characters / words next to > the number. > I know, this is not exactly what is being discussed here but it certainly > goes in that direction. > > And last but not least: users who prefer FullWrite Professional's features > over those of Lyx may stick to it. > > Cheers! > > Michael > > -- John Kane Kingston ON Canada
