On 10.06.05, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:
> > Juergen> I do not agree to change the name from "Labeling" to "List"
> > Juergen> in the GUI.
>
> I really do not like that we are beginning to replace the termini
> technici of LaTeX classes and environments with arbitrary names (or
> translations, for that matter) if there is no special need to do so.
I totally agree with you.
However, there is a "need" here, which is the harmonisation of the
names. "List" is not arbitrary but chosen after the name of the same
style in non-koma layouts.
> There are not only LaTeX agnostics using LyX. For people who are
> familiar with the KOMA script documentation, the term "Labeling" is
> well defined, while "List" is just irritating.
So we have to weight the arguments for 3 possible options:
1. Call the lyx-list/labeling style "List" in all layouts.
+ Nice for people learning koma after LyX or documentation agnostics.
- Bad for people that know koma or read its superb documentation
2. Call the style "Labeling" in koma and "List" elsewhere.
+ No big changes involved.
- Missing harmony: Two names for one style
See the attached patches for this solution
3. Call the style "Labeling" in all layouts.
+ Replace the arbitrary, too generic, and LyX specific name by the
"standard" name established in the Tex community.
- The "average" LyX user has to re-adjust. Documentation update
needed.
Personally, I'd favour variant 3 (without insisting on it, as I cannot
provide a complete set of patches).
The attached patch provides solution 2
The following patch provides a backwards compatibility (conversion of a
koma document to a non-koma alternative), as stdclass.inc is not included
by the koma layouts but (almost) all other classes.
--- /usr/src/lyx-cvs/devel/lib/layouts/stdclass.inc~ 2005-05-23
11:04:10.000000000 +0200
+++ /usr/src/lyx-cvs/devel/lib/layouts/stdclass.inc 2005-06-10
14:24:41.000000000 +0200
@@ -45,3 +45,8 @@
Input stdlayouts.inc
Input stdfloats.inc
Input stdcounters.inc
+
+# convert Labeling (from koma-script documents) to List
+Style Labeling
+ ObsoletedBy List
+End
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To put it different: I think people who are using KOMA-classes in LyX
> should be encouraged to read the excellent KOMA-script documentation
> (the LyX documentation can never replace that). But if the KOMA-script
> documentation recommends to use the environments which can not be found
> in LyX, because LyX has its own terminology, it gets useless.
As this problem is not restricted to "Labeling", I have a
Feature suggestion
------------------
LyX could tell the latex name of the layout styles
* as supplement or tooltips in the drop-layouts list.
* in the status line after change of layout
"Layout changed to %s (%s)" % (Style, latex-name)
Günter
--
G.Milde web.de
--- /usr/src/lyx-cvs/devel/lib/layouts/scrclass.inc 2005-05-23
11:04:10.000000000 +0200
+++ /home/milde/.lyx/layouts/scrclass.inc 2005-06-10 14:13:37.000000000
+0200
@@ -3,6 +3,8 @@
# Bernd Rellermeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 1998/7/23.
# Update for Koma Script Release >=2.8q
# Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2003/2/08.
+# Mapped List to Labeling
+# Guenter Milde <g.milde web.de>
SecNumDepth 2
@@ -20,8 +22,6 @@
Input stdcounters.inc
Input stdfloats.inc
-NoStyle List
-
Style Description
LabelFont
Family Sans
@@ -29,21 +29,15 @@
End
Style Labeling
- Margin Manual
- LatexType List_Environment
- LatexName labeling
- NextNoindent 1
- LabelSep xxx
- ParSkip 0.4
- TopSep 0.7
- BottomSep 0.7
- ParSep 0.5
- Align Block
- AlignPossible Block, Left
- LabelType Manual
- LabelString 00.00.0000
+ CopyStyle List
+ LatexName labeling
+ Preamble # overwrite the preamble code definition
+ EndPreamble
End
+Style List
+ Obsoletedby Labeling
+End
Input stdsections.inc
@@ -260,5 +254,4 @@
End
Input lyxmacros.inc
-Input scrmacros.inc
