On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> > Dear Martin et al.,
> >
> > do you need some more comments? Ok, here are mine :-)
> >
> > > box removing by <Backspace>
I find this function _very_ useful in mathed, but difficult to discover :-(
Uwe Stöhr has written a manual for mathed (in German), I think we need a
manual (in English) for mathed...
> You have to press C-e for emphasized anyway. Whether the result is
> realized by an inset or some other structure internally is irrelevant
> for the users. If the inset is visibly indistinguishable from the
> current display (which is at least for short stuff possible but requires
> Asger's three-box-drawing model for long) nobody will notice anyway.
>
> The only point to discuss IMO is whether there could/should be two
> physical cursor positions (boxes/mathed model) or just one (OOo/Word)
>
> Personally, having the two logicaly positions (just before some
> change/at the beginning of a change) is _the_
?question?
Wow... finally a question I understand...
IMO, working with text and formulas is quite different with respect to
what is the most common cursor movement operation. In formulas, I mostly
need fine control of movement, whereas in text I mostly want 'course'
control of movement.
Perhaps... 'course' movement can be defined as moving between 'content',
and 'fine' movment as moving between markup? (Maybe we can even start
talking about a content space and a markup space :-)
For formulas, I want very fine-grained control of 'where' the cursor is,
so the 2-cursor approach is useful, even if it sometimes feels like you
are pressing the left/right arrows way to often. For normal text, I think
I'd be annoyed if I had to do double 'left's just because I was crossing a
markup border.
Some ideas out of the blue:
* Have a "mode" setting that controls if movement is "course" or "fine"
* Use modifier (e.g. M-Left/M-Right) for fine grained movement in 'textEd'
Mathed This would be great in mathed, unfortunately, you probably want
-idea: M-Left/M-Right to do course movement there :-( Bah.. I'm
stupid, why not change the behaviour of C-Left/C-Right.. at the
moment these keys aren't so useful in mathed anyway.
> > But instead of starting a discussion on how to display insets in the
> > most comfortable way
How about modes for controlling if markup borders (i.e. insets?) should be
shown, these could be:
* Don't show any boxes etc
* Only show box of the inset(s) that the cursor is in
* Show all boxes
Some final thoughts:
In mathEd, the 'where' is important -- is the cursor in a subscript, or
in a superscript... objects are in a strict hierarchy.
Is there a similar distiction in 'textEd'?
How about a figure float? No... that's not the same as a being in a
subscript to me, since the subscript "belongs" to something. A footnote
might belong to something though... bah, this gets too complicated...
/Christian
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Christian Ridderström http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
