Hi Saqman, What is your opinion about encrypted disk and encrypted home?
Best regards Nio Den 2015-03-04 19:33, Istimsak Abdulbasir skrev: > I agree that the "install alongside" option can be replaced by manual > partitioning. That is of course it is a method that a beginner to Linux > would understand. However, the risk of overwriting something would be to > high. We should keep the first option and test it not that it works but > for areas that can be improved. > > As for manual partition testing and encryption, both are vital. However, > encryption will be used if the system is being deployed in an enterprise > environment. Linux experts I have luckly communicated with highly > charish RedHat. Just a suggestion, we could make the encryption testcase > optional. We are not forced to test it but it is still there. > > On Mar 4, 2015 12:30 PM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wikl...@gmail.com > <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > [replying at the end] > Den 2015-03-04 18:11, Brendan Perrine skrev: > > On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 08:57:41 -0800 > > Walter Lapchynski <w...@ubuntu.com <mailto:w...@ubuntu.com>> wrote: > > > >> I'd say if Ubuntu in general considers it an edge case, it > probably is. > >> > >> @wxl > >> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA > >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact > >> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader > >> On Mar 4, 2015 8:54 AM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wikl...@gmail.com > <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi again, > >>> > >>> I want to add: > >>> > >>> 1. I really think we should have a test-case for 'Encrypted LVM' > >>> > >>> 2. I can think of situations, when 'Encrypted home' is a better > >>> alternative. We can add such a test-case, if the Lubuntu users > think it > >>> is important. > >>> > >>> As it is now, these two test-cases would be independent, because > it does > >>> no longer work with them in combination. If it is important, we > can ask > >>> the developers to fix the bug(s) so that the original alternate > >>> test-case works again. > >>> > >>> Best regards > >>> Nio > >>> > >>> Den 2015-03-04 17:24, Nio Wiklund skrev: > >>>> Hi Walter, > >>>> > >>>> Encrypted LVM is *the* test-case in all other Ubuntu flavours > including > >>>> Ubuntu server. I really think we should test it, not only LVM. > >>>> 'Encrypted disk' is implemented via LVM. > >>>> > >>>> Lubuntu is a special case with 'encrypted LVM', and inside it > 'encrypted > >>>> home'. What I suggest is to remove 'encrypted home' from the > test-case. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards > >>>> Nio > >>>> > >>>> Den 2015-03-04 17:15, Walter Lapchynski skrev: > >>>>> I agree there's no reason to wait for desktop to implement the > change to > >>>>> alternate. I do, however want to emphasize that encryption is > more > >>>>> valuable to the average user than LVM. Maybe we should > separate these > >>>>> testcases for now? Then at some point in the future, we could > create a > >>>>> combined one. Or is encrypted LVM a really unique case? > >>>>> > >>>>> @wxl > >>>>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA > >>>>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact > >>>>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mar 4, 2015 8:05 AM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wikl...@gmail.com > <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com> > >>>>> <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com <mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Den 2015-03-04 14:38, Lars Noodén skrev: > >>>>> > On 04.03.2015 14:50, Nio Wiklund wrote: > >>>>> >> Hi Walter, Lars, Phill and all other Lubuntu users > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> I think we have a working alternative, that should be > rather > >>> easy to > >>>>> >> implement for the Alternate Install (Encryption) > test-cases (for > >>> the > >>>>> >> i386 as well as the amd64 iso files). > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> @ Walter and Lars: Can we agree to modify the (alternate) > >>> test-cases? > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> @ Lars: ... and when agreed, will you edit the alternate > >>> test-cases? > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> @ Walter and Lars: The next step will be to design > corresponding > >>>>> >> test-cases for the Lubuntu desktop iso files. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Hi, > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I can try modifying the Alternate encryption case, if > someone can > >>>>> remind > >>>>> > me of the URL to the right guide to do that, when the time > >>> comes. The > >>>>> > hard part is not the HTML but dealing with bazaar and then > >>>>> following the > >>>>> > right procedure for a pull. Would that be for 15.04 or > for 15.10? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> > > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/ > > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/> > >>>>> < > >>> > > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/ > >>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > For 16.04, it would be best if the installers handled > encryption > >>>>> > properly so that workarounds like dropping to the shell > are not > >>> needed > >>>>> > for full disk encryption. > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> ... > >>>>> >> @ everybody: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Skipping 'encrypted home inside encrypted disk with > LVM' makes > >>> things > >>>>> >> much easier to get working. ... > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Encrypted home is probably important if there are > multiple users > >>>>> or one > >>>>> > user with multiple roles on the machine. For the full > hard disk > >>>>> > encryption I see a main use-case as being work laptops that > >>> travel and > >>>>> > thus at risk of being lost or stolen. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Regards, > >>>>> > /Lars > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Lars, > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. I hope we can agree very soon about the alternate > encryption > >>>>> test-cases, and do it for 15.04, but I can fully > understand, that > >>> Walter > >>>>> or some other important persons may want to wait and think > twice > >>> before > >>>>> changing these test-cases. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. What I suggested today does not imply any dropping to a > shell. > >>>>> Without encrypted home the alternate test-cases will be > smooth. But > >>> I'm > >>>>> waiting for someone (you, Lars?) to verify my test results. > >>>>> > >>>>> 3. I agree that 'Encrypted home' is important if there are > multiple > >>>>> users or one user with multiple roles on the machine. But > must it be > >>>>> combined with encrypted disk and LVM? > >>>>> > >>>>> 4. I think creating the corresponding test-cases for the > desktop > >>>>> installer needs more time, but modifying the alternate > test-cases > >>> need > >>>>> not wait for the desktop ones to be ready for publishing. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards > >>>>> Nio > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > > I also conisder that manual partitioning would be more important > as I would want to employ that in production as a user more often > than encryption because I don't want to lose my own data if I lose > the key. > > > Hi Brendan, > > I think both manual partitioning and encryption are important. We have a > manual partitioning test-case for the Lubuntu desktop installers. I > think both are worthwhile. > > If I have to rank the test-cases and skip the least valuable one, I > would skip 'install alongside'. Users at the Ubuntu Forums have big > problems because of that option (overwriting Windows), and several > people (including the installer guru Oldfred) warn about it. The worst > bugs are squashed now, but in order to control installations for dual > booting, we really need the manual method alias 'Something else'. > > On the other hand, it is important that 'install alongside' works as > well as possible, because it will affect beginners. So it is important > that it is tested too. > > Best regards > Nio > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-qa> > Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa > <https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-qa> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
