Hi Aijun,

On 09/11/2020 07:35, Aijun Wang wrote:
Hi, Peter:

Currently, the inter-AS link TLV is advertised within the Inter-AS-TE-LSA for 
OSPF and Inter-AS Reachability TLV for ISIS.
But I think these two places are not suitable for the stub-link information.

It seems that separating the stub-link information from the inter-as link 
information is better, because not all of the stub-links are inter-as link.
If so, can we put the newly defined Stub-Link TLV within the Router LSA for 
OSPF and make it one new top TLV for ISIS?

Router LSA does not have TLVs, you would have to add the data to Extended Prefix Link TLV (RFC7684), or define a net top-level TLV under the OSPFv2 Extended Link Opaque LSA.

For ISIS you don't have a choice really, you need to define a new top-level TLV.

thanks,
Peter



Best Regards

Aijun Wang
China Telecom

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Psenak [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 1:56 AM
To: Aijun Wang <[email protected]>
Cc: Aijun Wang <[email protected]>; Acee Lindem (acee) 
<[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for 
draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-attribute-04.txt

Aijun,

On 05/11/2020 12:04, Aijun Wang wrote:
Hi, Peter:
Then how about defines one new top TLV to flood such information within the 
IGP? Fox example, Stub-Link TLV? If so, other characteristics associated with 
the Link can also be advertised accordingly.

yes, unless you can use or extend the existing inter-AS link advertisement.

thanks,
Peter


If acceptable, we can forward this draft along this direction.


Aijun Wang
China Telecom

On Nov 5, 2020, at 17:15, Peter Psenak <[email protected]> 
wrote:

Aijun,

the point I was trying to make was that you should think of a similar mechanism 
for your use cases - e.g. define something that advertises the link without 
advertising the IS adjacency and not mess up with the prefix advertisement.

thanks,
Peter

On 05/11/2020 10:09, Aijun Wang wrote:
Hi, Peter:
Yes, RFC 5392 is the OSPF corresponding part for the inter-AS TE solution. But 
using these existing solutions has some limitation in deployment, as I 
explained in 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/VLufuaGDiRgaflcu58FY_SHnJ7A/.
And, in some situations, not all of the passive interfaces are connected with 
another AS, then flag these interfaces using RFC 5316 or RFC 5392 is not 
appropriate.
Do you agree?
Best Regards
Aijun Wang
China Telecom
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:26 PM
To: Aijun Wang <[email protected]>; 'Acee Lindem (acee)'
<[email protected]>; 'Aijun Wang' <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for
draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-attribute-04.txt
Hi Aijun,
please look at rfc5316, ISIS already have a way to advertise inter-AS link 
without forming an adjacency.
thanks,
Peter
On 05/11/2020 02:15, Aijun Wang wrote:
Hi, Acee:

Thanks for this comments.
The consideration for the position of flagging the passive interface have been 
stated in the updated 05 version 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-attribute-05#section-3,
 as the followings:

      ISIS [RFC5029] defines the Link-Attributes Sub-TLV to carry the link
      attribute information, but this Sub-TLV can only be carried within
      the TLV 22, which is used to described the attached neighbor.  For
      passive interface, there is no ISIS neighbor, then it is not
      appropriate to use this Sub-TLV to indicate the passive attribute of
      the interface.

      OSPFv2[RFC2328] defines link type field within Router LSA, the type 3
      for connections to a stub network can be used to identified the
      passive interface.  But in OSPFv3 [RFC5340], type 3 within the
      Router-LSA has been reserved.  The information that associated with
      stub network has been put in the Intra-Area-Prefix-LSAs.

What about your opinions regarding to the above statements? Currently, we think 
putting the flag within the prefix attribute that associated the passive 
interface is appropriate.
If we can find other appropriate/acceptable place to hold this information, we 
can also update the draft later accordingly.


Best Regards

Aijun Wang
China Telecom


-----Original Message-----
From: Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:11 AM
To: Aijun Wang <[email protected]>
Cc: Aijun Wang <[email protected]>; Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
<[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for
draft-wang-lsr-passive-interface-attribute-04.txt

Hi Aijun,
You still didn't answer the question as to why you didn't rework this draft for 
passive interface to be an interface attribute rather than a prefix attribute?
Thanks,
Acee

On 10/1/20, 6:13 AM, "Acee Lindem (acee)" <[email protected]> wrote:

       Hi Aijun,
       You didn't answer my question and pruned my message. Other than your 
attempt to expose the topology of areas outside the area, there is no other 
reason to associate the passive interface attribute with a prefix. We seem to 
be in a circular discussion....
       Acee

       On 9/30/20, 10:43 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Aijun Wang" 
<[email protected]> wrote:

           Hi, Acee:
           Except the corner cases of unnumbered interface, would you like to 
illustrate other scenarios that the process does not apply?
           As mentioned in last mail, knowing the passive interfaces can assist 
the nodes or controller know the boundaries of the network.

           Aijun Wang
           China Telecom

           > On Sep 30, 2020, at 19:47, Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]> 
wrote:
           >




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