Hi Cameron, Given that we include at least another project that uses "trunk" (for many years now) and not a released version, we cannot make this a hard requirement in my opinion
Best, Angelos On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Gabriele, > Thanks for offering to help with reducing packaging size. That will be > helpful. > > I also think it would be very valuable for the version of the World Wind > Web to be installed on OSGeo-Live to be allocated a version number. There > are many reasons for this, including: > 1. People will be able to determine if the version of World Wind Web they > are looking at is the latest version. > 2. People will be able to determine if they should upgrade to a more > recent version (because they are looking at an older version) > 3. Developers and users will be able to align feature lists and bug > reports with specific version numbers, which will help users determine > whether to upgrade > > I think that defining a package version number should be a prerequisite > for including the package on OSGeo-Live. The version number could be called > "beta" so long as it is considered "stable" by the developer and user > community. > > Warm regards, Cameron > > > On 7/01/2016 2:22 am, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote: > > Hi, > > the Java version and the JavaScript’s one, are two different applications, > so we need to separate them. > > I understand that the size of the Java might be a problem. I can try to > work a bit on it and delete the not strictly necessary files from the > original package, so to achieve a reasonable size. > > > > Regarding the web version, I may ask Patrick about a tagged release, even > if now it seems to appear as ‘pre-release’ version. > > Even though I want to reassure you that in spite of being not even a beta, > its usage was growing consistently in the past two years (as you may see > from the different projects developed), and no bugs were reported. It is > tagged in this way because not all the features available in the Java > version are yet available. > > > > Best, > > Gabriele. > > > > > > > *From: *Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kal...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *mercoledì 6 gennaio 2016 14:32 > *To: *Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com>; Gabriele Prestifilippo > <gabrieleprestifili...@gmail.com> > *Cc: *live-demo@lists.osgeo.org > *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind > > > > Thank you Gabriele for the detailed responses. > > > > I also strongly support the inclusion of Nasa World Wind in OSGeoLive. > > > > Regarding the size of the installation, I would like to try a basic > installation first (without documentation to save some space) so we can > find out how much World Wind will compress in the iso. The next step would > be to try to use the data already present in the disk. Then we will be able > to make a decision regarding the amount of sample data that will be needed. > > > > Regarding Java vs Web version, personally I would like to see both > included. > > Having a tagged release is a good sign of stability, so I would prefer to > have a tagged version included. This would also help potential packaging > efforts. > > > > Best, > > Angelos > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks Gabriele, > Based on your responses, it seems that Go World Wind is a mature, > established open source GIS product, which is in line with the principles > of OSGeo Live. > > On the downsite, it appears to be a large product, which may be a > challenge to fit on OSGeo-Live. I'd be interested to hear thoughts from > Angelos and others in that regard. > > The documentation does appear to be comprehensive and I feel shouldn't be > included with the OSGeo-Live release (it can be referenced). Instead just > provide standard OSGeo-Live Project Overview and Quickstart. > > Also, I request you make use of existing OSGeo-Live sample data rather > that adding a new dataset. This reduces disk space and helps with > comparisons and integration between applications. > > -- > > I'm undecided on whether World Wind Web is ready. I'd be hoping to see a > specific stable version nominated for inclusion. > It also seems to have a relatively new development history, so might not > have reached a stable release yet? > > Would it make to bundle GeoWorldWind and WorldWindWeb together? Or are > they two stand alone applications? > > Warm regards, Cameron > > > > On 6/01/2016 10:23 pm, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote: > > Hi, I’m answering the questions referring to both versions. > > If you consider including Java and Web version, I will provide two > different installation scripts. > > *I confirm that my contributions to OSGeo-Live will be compatible with the > OSGeo-Live license guidelines at the time of contribution* > > > > -What is its name? > > Nasa World Wind, composed of Go World Wind and Web World Wind > > > > - What is the home page URL? > > <http://goworldwind.org/>http://goworldwind.org/ and > <http://webworldwind.org/>http://webworldwind.org/ > > > > -Which OSI approved Open Source Licence <http://opensource.org/licenses> is > used? > > NASA OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3 ( > https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3) > > -What does the application do and how does it add value to the GeoSpatial > stack of software? > > World Wind provides a rich set of features for displaying and interacting > with geographic data and representing a wide range of geometric objects > using a 3d virtual globe > > > > -Does the application make use of OGC standards? Which versions of the > standards? Client or server? You may wish to add comments about how > standards are used. > > Yes, it uses on the client WMS, WFS and as GIS formats: Shapefile, KML, > VPF, GML, GeoJSON, GeoRSS, GPX, NMEA and many others to draw services on > the globe > > -What language is it written in? > > The Java version (goworldwind) is written mostly in java and C++, while > Web version is in Javascript > > > > -Which version of the application should be included in the next > OSGeo-Live release? > World Wind Java SDK 2.0.0 and regarding the web version, it’s updated > frequently, so the latest one available during the disk build process. > > > > - If risk adverse organisations have deployed your application into > production, it would imply that these organisations have verified the > stability of your software. Has the application been rolled out to > production into risk (ideally risk adverse) organisations? Please mention > some of these organisations? > > US Federal Aviation Agency (FAA), US Department of Energy, US Air Force, > Army and Navy, US State Department, US Geological Survey, European Space > Agency, Politecnico di Milano at Como, Sweden Defence Research Agency (FOI) > > > > -What is the Open HUB URL for your project? > > <https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj>https://www.openhub.net/p/wwj and > <https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind> > https://www.openhub.net/p/WebWorldWind > > > > -What is the size of the user community? You can often answer this by > mentioning downloads, or describing a healthy, busy email list? > > The US Government is our largest ‘formally recognized’ community, with > well over a 100,000 users. World Wind apps are a standard in multiple US > agencies. Additionally, the European Space Agency has standardized on > WebWorldWind for delivery of spatial data. The > <http://www.WorldWindCentral.com>www.WorldWindCentral.com forum has: > Threads: 13,095; Posts: 73,902; Members: 32,080; Active Members: 90 > > > > -What is the size of your developer community? > > Because applications using World Wind are many, especially throughout the > US Government, we cannot confirm the actual size of that community but it > is estimated to be in the hundreds. > > > > -Do you have a bug free, stable release? > > Yes, the latest stable version, 2.0.0 for the Java and the last in the > website for the Web’s one. > > > > -Please discuss the level of testing that your project has gone through. > > All versions of World Wind are tested before each release. Additionally, > feedback via the forum contribute to identification of issues found by the > open source community and these are addressed accordingly. > > > > -How long has the project has had mature code. > > World Wind began as a .NET app in 2003 with some days in 2004 at > SourceForge ( <http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasa-exp/) of almost 100,000 downloads a > day at ~250MB (including a base set of imagery and elevation data for the > world, the application was only a small fraction of that). The Java version > has been mature since late 200, the iOS version since 2014 and the web > version continues to mature, but has been standardized on for use by the > European Space Agency. > > > > OSGeo-Live is targeted at applications that people can use rather than > libraries. Does the application have a user interface (possibly a command > line interface) that a user can interact with? (We do make an exception for > Incubated OSGeo Libraries, and will include Project Overviews for these > libraries, even if they don't have a user interface.) > > Yes, in both version it has a user interface to interact with the globe, > even though its main purpose is aimed to develop new applications. It > includes a lot of examples (with the proper source code) to test all the > features using a graphical user interface. > > > > -We give preference to OSGeo Incubated Projects, or Projects which are > presented at FOSS4G <http://foss4g.org/> conferences. If your project is > involved in OSGeo Incubation, or has been selected to be presented at > FOSS4G, then please mention it. > > It was presented on different FOSS4Gs and is also in the OSGeo wish list > > > > - Who will act as the project's liaison person. > > Gabriele Prestifilippo > > > > -Can you please discuss how your application will be installed. > > About the installation for both versions, it will use a custom script, > which downloads the files, and then copies them into a directory, from > which is possible to find samples and executables. > > > > -OSGeo-Live is memory and disk constrained. Can the application run in 512 > Meg of RAM? > > Yes > > > > -How much disk space will be required to install the application and a > suitable example application? > > The java version occupies around 300mb with samples, but might be > possible to reduce the size removing some files (documentation ~130mb ). > While less than 20mb the Web version > > > > - Each OSGeo-Live application requires a Project Overview available under > a CC By <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/> and a Quickstart > available under a CC By-SA > <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/> license. (You may > release under a second license as well). Will you produce this? > > Yes > > > > -In past releases, we have included Windows and Mac installers for some > applications. It is likely we won't have space for these in future > releases. However, if there is room, would you be wishing to include > Windows and/or Mac installers? > > Yes > > > > > > Best, > > Gabriele > > > > *From: *Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kal...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *martedì 5 gennaio 2016 18:13 > *To: *Gabriele Prestifilippo <gabrieleprestifili...@gmail.com> > *Cc: *live-demo@lists.osgeo.org > *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind > > > > Hi Gabriele, > > > > Thank you for picking up this task. > > > > For the install script, can you please provide a pull request here: > > <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin> > https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/tree/master/bin > > Proposed script name: install_worldwind.sh > > > > Also, you can issue a pull request for the documentation here: > > <https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc> > https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc > > > > In order to accept the pull requests, you will need to confirm that you > will comply with our license guidelines: > > <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration> > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Git_migration > > > > Best, > > Angelos > > > > > *From: *Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *lunedì 4 gennaio 2016 22:53 > *To: *Gabriele Prestifilippo <gabrieleprestifili...@gmail.com> > *Cc: *live-demo@lists.osgeo.org; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) > <patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> > *Subject: *Re: [Live-demo] Submit new project - NASA WorldWind > > > > Hi Gabriele, > Great to hear from you and interest in seeing NASA WorldWind on OSGeo-Live. > > The first step in including a project is to send an email to this list > addressing the questions linked from: > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive > > This helps us determine whether a project is a good fit for OSGeo-Live, > and also consider any logistical issues which we might face (such as if > there is enough space). > > I'm looking forward to working with you further on this. > > Warm regards, > > Cameron (one of the OSGeo-Live coordinators) > > On 5/01/2016 5:07 am, Gabriele Prestifilippo wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I'm writing here on behalf of Patrick Hogan's suggestion, to propose the > inclusion of NASA World Wind in the next OSGeo release ( > <http://goworldwind.org/>http://goworldwind.org/ and > http://webworldwind.org/). > > I've been asked to fulfill the requirements from the Wiki, and I created > the scripts for the project and prepared the documentations. > > Let me know what else is needed to proceed. > > > > Best regards, > > Gabriele Prestifilippo > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Live-demo mailing list > > Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org > > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > > http://live.osgeo.org > > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc > > > > -- > > Cameron Shorter, > > Software and Data Solutions Manager > > LISAsoft > > Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, > > 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 > > > > P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Live-demo mailing list > > Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org > > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > > http://live.osgeo.org > > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc > > > > -- > > Cameron Shorter, > > Software and Data Solutions Manager > > LISAsoft > > Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, > > 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 > > > > P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 > > > _______________________________________________ > Live-demo mailing list > Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > http://live.osgeo.org > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc > > > > > > -- > > Angelos Tzotsos, PhD > OSGeo Charter Member > > <http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos>http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos > > > > > -- > Cameron Shorter, > Software and Data Solutions Manager > LISAsoft > Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, > 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009 > > P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099 > > -- Angelos Tzotsos, PhD OSGeo Charter Member http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
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