-----Original Message----- From: Stanislav Malyshev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AB>> And they should. They should suffer for choosing an ISP that AB>> disrespects its own acceptable use policy, and gets itself into AB>> some kind of blackhole or another. What the customer must do is > Oh come on. It is a common knowledge that at least some of these relays > are too quick to add whole netblocks and too slow to explain why they did > that or how to make this not happen again. And the ISP couldn't care less > what some freak out there thinks about its policies - its responcibility > is its own paying clients and not convinvcing some trigger-happy sysadmin > jumping out of his pants to be BOFH-like and blacklist whatever possible > without too much investigation. As I see it, depending on who you are and how important it is for your messages to get 'there'. If you're a corporate and contact mostly other corporates, mostly you don't care. I know I don't. If someone from my company wants to send mail to someone with an RBL that doesn't let my static IP (I don't use the IP relay, heavens forbid) send him mail - I'm fine with that. The person on the other side will have to find a way to accept this mail message, because it's also his priority to do business with us. If you're a private person, or contact mostly private people, that's damn annoying. In the rare occasions I have encountered it I opted to use a different provider to send a message telling that person that they are using an RBL and he should do something about it. Personally I use a BezeqInt ISDN line to send and receive email, and it seems like this IP range is pretty much okay. I had it blocked once, and the BezeqInt guys went out of their way to un-block it. But BezeqInt is guilty of spamming me themselves, for which I did never forgive them. I have stopped buying new services from them and I am slowly switching. There should really be an Israeli ISP monitoring site, which will score ISPs based on their non-blackholeness, but I am not the one who will set it up so I have no right to speak about it. You're right about RBL admins that are too trigger happy, but I never encountered a case when I asked to be removed (when I had my own address range) and not removed within a few days. Yes, some ignoramus has misconfigured a mail server on my range, and I picked up the pieces. And regarding the ISP's responsibility for the customer - the quick BezeqInt reaction came after I have told them that since I use their network to send email, and it is important to me that the email gets there, I hold them responsible for any blackholing of their range and will switch if I can't send my email decently from my equipment. -- Arik ================================================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
