At 23:41 28/08/2014 -0700, Keith OHara wrote:
The suggestion quoted below from the bug-lilypond list
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2014-08/msg00037.html>
makes sense to me, as an addition to the \language "english" note-names.
It would not fit in German-style pitch-names, where 'cis' and 'ces'
get completely distinct names from 'c'.
Sorry, but I don't see the distinction you are trying to make between
German and English. Surely C, C-sharp, and C-flat (and for that
matter -double sharp and -double flat) have separate names in any
language, including German, English, German Lilypond, and English Lilypond?
Would anyone else like to see 'fn' as a second way to express
F-natural in English (in addition to the existing 'f') ?
No: please not.
There are surely two ways of indicating pitches? One is the method
used in musical notation itself, where a note on the C line or space
without any accidental represents any one of C, C-sharp, or C-flat,
depending on the key signature. The other is that used in Lilypond
input, where "c" always represents C-natural, irrespective of the key
signature in force. Similarly "cis" or "cs" and so on are interpreted
literally, without reference to the key signature.
The danger in allowing "cn" would not be to the operation of Lilypond
but to the mind of the user! As soon as you allow the user to input
"cn", s/he will easily be distracted into thinking in terms of the
first method above and will easily omit the appropriate necessary
suffixes when a modified pitch is required but which is already
present in the key signature. After entering "cn" in, say, D major,
one would readily fall into the trap of using "c" in the next bar
where "cis" (or "cs") was actually meant and required.
David Winfrey writes:
A new accidental for entering natural notes would be useful. [...]
The original suggester has fallen into this very trap by mentioning
an accidental: that's musical thinking, not Lilypond thinking.
Accidentals in the musical output appear automatically; no concept of
"accidental" is necessary in the Lilypond method of entering pitches.
You could argue that Lilypond input should work like music does (for
the avoidance of doubt, I'm not doing that), but that's a completely
different suggestion.
Brian Barker
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