Hi Kira; No problem! I do very much appreciate comments regarding the performance aspects of the music I try to engrave.
I think I will write my own trill function for midi (not in Scheme/Guile :-) but in Perl) which will generate alternating 32nd notes or something like that which I can just dump into a Lilypond macro specified for midi. Then I suppose I could do the same thing for a mordent, a turn, etc. Thanks, Ken On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 5:36 PM Kira Garvie <kgar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 😂 Sorry if I went overboard! I think you are probably asking too much from > midi - the nuance won't be there. Have you considered consulting a different > arrangement of the piece, and seeing what sort of trill is notated there? > That specific notation that you used probably wasn't original to the > piece/timeperiod, it would have been much more improvisatory . (And please > tell me if this is way more detail than you want - I sometimes have nothing > better to do than overthink articulation!) > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:27 PM Kenneth Wolcott <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi Kira; >> >> Thank you for your elaboration on the performance aspects of the trill. >> >> I implemented the trill span; it was not intuitive to me to end the >> trill span on the following note, but it seems to work. >> >> I implemented articulate.ly on the piece and the trill sounds >> ***AWFUL*** It sounds like someone knocked over the Piano! >> >> I don't think the 8notes.com's Piano arrangement of the "Prince of >> Denmark's March" (or "Trumpet Voluntary"), composed by Jeremiah >> Clarke, should sound so terrible with articulate.ly implemented, but I >> guess I'm expecting too much from midi. >> >> Thanks, >> Ken Wolcott >> >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Kira Garvie <kgar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I can't speak to the Lilypond notation, but only to the actual score >> > notation. When is this piece of music from? Different composers used >> > various trill markings to mean different things, but the 16th notes, >> > although they are notated normally, are probably part of the ornament. >> > There isnt really a set "duration" for a trill, so no guarantee just "tr" >> > would be an exact quarter note - there can be as much variation in how >> > someone performs a trill as any other musical indication. (ie start the >> > attack slow, almost a full 8th note duration, and speed up through to slow >> > back down for the termination, or a quick sharp attack going rapidly >> > through to the termination, or a gentle ornament that ends on the main >> > note and waits to terminate). To me at first glance, the plain "tr" >> > indicates to trill for the full value not because of itself, but because >> > of that little termination afterwards. The wavy line after it just makes >> > it extra clear what you are supposed to do. These would all be impacted by >> > tempo, composer, country, etc... performance practice of ornamentation is >> > just as ridiculously fussy and messy as anything else in music! >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 7:16 PM Kenneth Wolcott <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> So, it appears that \stopTrillSpan being placed on the following note >> >> does not include the following note in the trill; I guess that was >> >> not obvious to me. >> >> >> >> The third question is that the trill does not appear in the midi >> >> output, but articulation.ly would implement it? >> >> >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Ken Wolcott >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 4:03 PM Kenneth Wolcott >> >> <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hi; >> >> > >> >> > I have trouble understanding how to implement the \startTrillSpan >> >> > and \stopTrillSpan. >> >> > >> >> > I have two screenshots. >> >> > >> >> > The first is an obvious \trill, no span needed. >> >> > >> >> > The second requires the span, but I don't know how to place the >> >> > \stopTrillSpan. >> >> > >> >> > I see the trill section in the Notation Reference. It does not help >> >> > me understand how to place the \stopTrillSPan correctly. I could >> >> > place the \stopTrillSpan after the following note, but that certainly >> >> > would be correct, right? >> >> > >> >> > Another related question: what is the difference in the actual >> >> > performance of the two types? >> >> > >> >> > This is partially explained by Wikipedia: >> >> > >> >> > "A rapid alternation between the specified note and the next higher >> >> > note (determined by key signature) within its duration, also called a >> >> > "shake". When followed by a wavy horizontal line, this symbol >> >> > indicates an extended, or running, trill. In music up to the time of >> >> > Haydn or Mozart the trill begins on the upper auxiliary note" >> >> > >> >> > So does this mean that a dotted-quarter note trill will only be >> >> > "trilled" for a quarter note duration and will the spanner indicate >> >> > the full dotted quarter duration? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Ken Wolcott >> >>
