😂 Sorry if I went overboard! I think you are probably asking too much from midi - the nuance won't be there. Have you considered consulting a different arrangement of the piece, and seeing what sort of trill is notated there? That specific notation that you used probably wasn't original to the piece/timeperiod, it would have been much more improvisatory . (And please tell me if this is way more detail than you want - I sometimes have nothing better to do than overthink articulation!)
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:27 PM Kenneth Wolcott <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Kira; > > Thank you for your elaboration on the performance aspects of the trill. > > I implemented the trill span; it was not intuitive to me to end the > trill span on the following note, but it seems to work. > > I implemented articulate.ly on the piece and the trill sounds > ***AWFUL*** It sounds like someone knocked over the Piano! > > I don't think the 8notes.com's Piano arrangement of the "Prince of > Denmark's March" (or "Trumpet Voluntary"), composed by Jeremiah > Clarke, should sound so terrible with articulate.ly implemented, but I > guess I'm expecting too much from midi. > > Thanks, > Ken Wolcott > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Kira Garvie <kgar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can't speak to the Lilypond notation, but only to the actual score > notation. When is this piece of music from? Different composers used > various trill markings to mean different things, but the 16th notes, > although they are notated normally, are probably part of the ornament. > There isnt really a set "duration" for a trill, so no guarantee just "tr" > would be an exact quarter note - there can be as much variation in how > someone performs a trill as any other musical indication. (ie start the > attack slow, almost a full 8th note duration, and speed up through to slow > back down for the termination, or a quick sharp attack going rapidly > through to the termination, or a gentle ornament that ends on the main note > and waits to terminate). To me at first glance, the plain "tr" indicates to > trill for the full value not because of itself, but because of that little > termination afterwards. The wavy line after it just makes it extra clear > what you are supposed to do. These would all be impacted by tempo, > composer, country, etc... performance practice of ornamentation is just as > ridiculously fussy and messy as anything else in music! > > > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 7:16 PM Kenneth Wolcott < > kennethwolc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> So, it appears that \stopTrillSpan being placed on the following note > >> does not include the following note in the trill; I guess that was > >> not obvious to me. > >> > >> The third question is that the trill does not appear in the midi > >> output, but articulation.ly would implement it? > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Ken Wolcott > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 4:03 PM Kenneth Wolcott > >> <kennethwolc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi; > >> > > >> > I have trouble understanding how to implement the \startTrillSpan > >> > and \stopTrillSpan. > >> > > >> > I have two screenshots. > >> > > >> > The first is an obvious \trill, no span needed. > >> > > >> > The second requires the span, but I don't know how to place the > >> > \stopTrillSpan. > >> > > >> > I see the trill section in the Notation Reference. It does not help > >> > me understand how to place the \stopTrillSPan correctly. I could > >> > place the \stopTrillSpan after the following note, but that certainly > >> > would be correct, right? > >> > > >> > Another related question: what is the difference in the actual > >> > performance of the two types? > >> > > >> > This is partially explained by Wikipedia: > >> > > >> > "A rapid alternation between the specified note and the next higher > >> > note (determined by key signature) within its duration, also called a > >> > "shake". When followed by a wavy horizontal line, this symbol > >> > indicates an extended, or running, trill. In music up to the time of > >> > Haydn or Mozart the trill begins on the upper auxiliary note" > >> > > >> > So does this mean that a dotted-quarter note trill will only be > >> > "trilled" for a quarter note duration and will the spanner indicate > >> > the full dotted quarter duration? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Ken Wolcott > >> >
