On Wednesday March 17 2004 06:38, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Edward Sanford Sutton, III wrote: > > On Tuesday March 16 2004 10:45, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > >>A single grace notes without a slur but with a slash is trivial to > >>obtain, see > >>http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2004-02/msg00122.html > > > > Is there a doc somewhere that would have told me that a grace note with a > > slur has to go under a phrasing slur since it breaks a normal slur? > > ??? The following example works fine, at least with 2.1.30: > c4 ( \appoggiatura e8 d4 e f ) | > > I guess the problem appears if you want another slur to end at the > main note after the appoggiatura/acciaccatura. > > I was actually surprised myself to notice that slurs indeed can be > nested in LilyPond of neither the start nor the end point coincide. > Last time this was discussed on the list (more than a year ago), I > think the conclusion was that it doesn't make sense, musically, to > have nested slurs, except when you have a normal slur under a phrasing > slur. That's why the phrasing slurs were introduced. > Just as you, I cannot find this documented anywhere in the manual. > For a violin player like me, a normal slur means "play these notes > in the same bow", so it doesn't make sense to allow for slured grace > notes under a normal slur and the current "limitation" to only allow > for two levels of slurs (normal and phrasing) is OK. However, this > may be different on other instruments, so maybe this decision should > be reconsidered, having slured grace notes in mind. > > /Mats But does a nested slur always work? I am on 2.1.30.hwn1 and with a code snippet from my nocturne piece I'm typesetting g8\( | f4.\trill^\markup { \finger "13" } \acciaccatura { e16-2[ f] } g8\) if you turn the phrasing slur into a normal slur, it errors at the first g8 's slur saying that it is unterminated despite that it was marked to terminate at the last g8. There is a part where, chronologically, the top notes start a slur, the bottom notes start a slur, then both notes end together. there were 2 notes in the right hand as chords that bounce around within these slurs; phrasing slurs allowed me to do this, but I don't know that it was right to begin with.
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