On Thu, 2023-01-05 at 23:55 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Le 05/01/2023 à 23:30, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit : > > What I find worrying in this discussion is that proponents of having > > Cairo sooner than later keep dismissing the size argument, in parts > > with very strong words, without the willingness to look into it (as far > > as I understand; or have there been concrete attempts before I raised > > the point only yesterday?). In my humble opinion, this is not a good > > attitude for planning and proposing large-scale changes as we are > > discussing them... > > No, I had not looked into this before yesterday or thought about it, > and I am not ashamed about it, because the exact purpose of this > thread in the first place was to ask what the potential blockers > were, you brought up one, and that is the kind of answer I expected.
In my personal opinion, this stage is even less of a place to make statements like "Quite frankly, I think it's not going to happen until the 12th of Never." and "I strongly disagree that PDFs of the same size as today is a requirement [...]". > Again, I am not proposing anything. I'm just trying to figure out > a minimum amount of work that needs to be done before a concrete > proposal for a switch can even meaningfully be made (before the thread > largely derailed on the actual details of this not-yet-made proposal, > which was not really the intent, but anyway). The original post had this: > I ask this because we are at an early point in the 2.26 release > cycle, which could potentially be ideal to get testing for "Cairo by > default" if it were ready, but it isn't yet. "early point in the 2.26 release cycle" is basically now, not several months from now. I'm sorry, but I see no other interpretation than your intent to make a proposal into that direction very, very soon. > I tend to shrug about size issues because I view them as the least > of my worries compared to PDF / SVG features, which everybody agrees > are critical to get Cairo ready for being a default, and I don't have > high hopes of doing anything about them anyway. Can you please stop making such statements? Complex problems aren't solved within one day. Even if it's not obvious now, I am confident that there are enough people around here that somebody will find a solution eventually. If we try, that is, and not just shrug about it.
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