On 12/06/25 11:44, Edward K. Ream wrote:
On Thursday, June 12, 2025 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-5 Edward K. Ream wrote:
> I am uninterested in this topic, for reasons I have explained
previously.
And I have explained why such reasons seem uncompelling. A first
principle (an axiomatic rule) can not be: someone argument's are, by
principle un-criticable.
Imo, Wikipedia article on the Turing Test
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test> refutes the notion that
Turing's 1950 paper was anything but first rate.
In fact it doesn't. None of the 24 references to the paper across the
article says anything about the paper quality itself, and are more
related with interpretations. Given than Wikipedia, as any encyclopedia
is a secondary source that appeals to primary sources, and we have
access to the primary source[1], we can judge by ourselves about the
papers quality and see if we agree or not with the podcast criticism
about Turing's tendencies to displacing both the question from "can
machines think?" to "can machines pass the imitation game?" and also
displacing the objections (from machines can not create anything
original to machines can not surprise us), his lack of citations, his
disengagement with contemporary thinkers/academicians working on similar
topics, his poor referencing to external sources and so on.
[1]
https://academic.oup.com/mind/article-abstract/LIX/236/433/986238?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
> You may have the last word, if you like.
Still true :-)
I'm not interested in having the last word, nor in forcing someone into
a conversation. In my two decades as member of the Leo community, I have
found here a place of intelligent, inspiring and well argumented
conversations, that I have praised several times. That was also what I
was looking for here regarding IA. I think that such conversations are
important in this times of rage and noise, particularly when we disagree.
Cheers,
Offray
Ps: In another moment I'll share my links collecting criticisms of AI,
that seem also necessary, now that most of places seem preaching to the
(AI) chorus.
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